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Old 04-23-2008, 06:56 PM
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Default Senate approves 'Evolution freedom act'

"TALLAHASSEE -- After a fierce debate, Florida senators today narrowly approved a bill aimed at making sure science teachers and students can raise questions about evolution."

http://www.news-journalonline.com/Ne...s/ev042308.htm

While I believe evolution has been proven to work as an ongoing process, the question of whether it is the process that started things going or if some other force or influence was involved is still a matter of debate. I think that alternative theories to the generally accepted evolution theory should be addressed but fear that this is legislation is simply an attempt, by some, to allow teachers to teach religiously based creation theories in science classes. I feel that these theories should be addressed in classes related to religion, not science classes.
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Well while evolution and scientific knowledge has yet to disprove the existance of a God entirely yet, it has indeed disproved the Christian version of events quite decisively.

So you can get away with being maybe an Enlightenment deist like Jefferson, but you certainly can't get away with being a Christian - not if you want to be compatible with reality anyways.

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It at least has to be hard for the fundamentalist who take Genesis as literal. Jews who haven't taken it litterally for a long time and many mainline protestants don't have that problem so much.

Personally I don't see why the ultimate origin of life needs to be discussed in school at all. Even within the science community there is no agreed upon model for getting a cellular organism in the first place and since it's history at that point there isn't any test to perform to find out which theory is right if any. And regardless it is not knowledge that is useful.

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It at least has to be hard for the fundamentalist who take Genesis as literal. Jews who haven't taken it litterally for a long time and many mainline protestants don't have that problem so much.
Lol, you remind me of Monty Python, 'blessed are the cheesemakers!'... 'no, it's not meant to be taken literally, it's a general reference to anyone in the dairy industry'...

Either you believe what the Bible says is true or you do not, most Christians these days are confused people who don't know what they believe, sometimes parts of the Bible are symbolic and sometimes they are literal....
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So students and teachers are allowed to discuss evolution in classrooms?

I'm shocked they weren't able to before. How far behind in the times is the US?
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It at least has to be hard for the fundamentalist who take Genesis as literal. Jews who haven't taken it litterally for a long time and many mainline protestants don't have that problem so much.

Personally I don't see why the ultimate origin of life needs to be discussed in school at all. Even within the science community there is no agreed upon model for getting a cellular organism in the first place and since it's history at that point there isn't any test to perform to find out which theory is right if any. And regardless it is not knowledge that is useful.
The origins of life is a philosophical debate that should stay out of high schools and grade schools. The origins of life is a subject better left to theological and evolution professors in college. Teenagers have enough to worry about that piling on top of them the issues of God and Evolution. Personally I believe a Supreme Creator created everything and evolution is absurd, but that opinion is better left to collegiate debate.
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The origins of life is a philosophical debate that should stay out of high schools and grade schools. The origins of life is a subject better left to theological and evolution professors in college. Teenagers have enough to worry about that piling on top of them the issues of God and Evolution. Personally I believe a Supreme Creator created everything and evolution is absurd, but that opinion is better left to collegiate debate.
Why should it stay out of classes, it is a yearning for knowledge. Neither theory can be proven but let people debate, its healthy.
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