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Old 04-23-2008, 06:21 PM
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Default Obama Cash Machine - Overrun by 'Operation Chaos'

Obama outspent Clinton by 3 to 1 and in some markets as much as 5 to 1, yet he was unable to close the margin of Clintons victory to less than 10 points. Clinton's Cash Machine raised 20 Million in March, while Obama raised 40 Million, If Clinton is surging Why is she not banking on that surge? Did Operationn Chaos "steal" the election?

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Obama outspent Clinton by 3 to 1 and in some markets as much as 5 to 1, yet he was unable to close the margin of Clintons victory to less than 10 points. Clinton's Cash Machine raised 20 Million in March, while Obama raised 40 Million, If Clinton is surging Why is she not banking on that surge? Did Operationn Chaos "steal" the election?

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Obama has supporters that include the gays (usually upper class citizens) and rich liberals.

Hillary has middle-class, ordinary Americans that don't have the thousands to fork over for her. Yes Obama has gotten lots of new donors, but he is getting the big bucks from the people mentioned up above.

Hillary campaigns better. America is not (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up like Obama makes it seem. We just need to be tweaked in certain areas (according to Democrats). Obama hates America.
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Do you occasionaly dock with reality superdude, or have you not vistited yet?

Obama has more money as more people have given small amounts, whereas hillary is relying more apon concentrated donors- the exact opposite of what you say. Seeing as its nice to provide osme evidence, heres a quote and link-

"Obama's prowess at raising money over the Internet, much of it from small donors, has helped account for his large campaign war chest. Clinton, who had previously relied heavily on the more traditional method of raising money through large donors, has recently stepped up Internet fundraising as well."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080403/...itics_obama_dc

Sail on, brave adventurer. Your next poll-of-call is in sight, no doubt.
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Do you occasionaly dock with reality superdude, or have you not vistited yet?

Obama has more money as more people have given small amounts, whereas hillary is relying more apon concentrated donors- the exact opposite of what you say. Seeing as its nice to provide osme evidence, heres a quote and link-

"Obama's prowess at raising money over the Internet, much of it from small donors, has helped account for his large campaign war chest. Clinton, who had previously relied heavily on the more traditional method of raising money through large donors, has recently stepped up Internet fundraising as well."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080403/...itics_obama_dc

Sail on, brave adventurer. Your next poll-of-call is in sight, no doubt.
And NOW that people think she can actually win, (in part I think due to 'Operation Chaos') within 24 hrs of winning the election in Pennsylvania, she raised almost 10 Million, literally overnight!
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You're happy about this Operation Chaos? you don't see it as a dirty means of corrupting the democractic political process? Or do you simply not care?

As for teh fund raising, I'm not taht concerned. Clinton wanted another headline to make it look liek she has momentum, I highly doubt it. Atleast shes out of debt now though, good for her.
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Did Operationn Chaos "steal" the election?
No.

That's a really stupid argument, in light of the facts:


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About half the party-switchers had been registered Republicans, while the rest had been unaffiliated with either party, and even more were voting for the first time in Pennsylvania.

Most of those new Democrats were mobilized to come out for Obama, and they were nearly one-fifth of Obama's supporters. Even the former Republicans favored Obama over Clinton, largely invalidating rumors that Republicans would vote strategically in the Democratic primary in support of Clinton, hoping she would be easier to defeat in November.

Fail.

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Eh, just because he gets more, say for argumenst sake legit cross overs, doesn't mean her cross-overs aren't doing it to prolong the race.
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You're happy about this Operation Chaos? you don't see it as a dirty means of corrupting the democractic political process?
Like "hanging chads"?

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< self appointed Democratic Aussie in effect.

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As for teh fund raising, I'm not taht concerned. Clinton wanted another headline to make it look liek she has momentum, I highly doubt it. Atleast shes out of debt now though, good for her.
Clinton's out of debt? LOL
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Like "hanging chads"?
That was a side-show. Like scrub lists? Yes remarkably similar.

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Clinton's out of debt? LOL
Yes I believe she was down by about 10 million, around what she raised.

Sorry were you going to say something interesting?
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That was a side-show. Like scrub lists? Yes remarkably similar.
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