We already have this. Ever heard of the "Rust Belt?" That's what our formerly healthy industrial NE is currently referred to after NAFTA.Conservatives will tell you its not their job to provide specific careers for people's chosen professions. They say it's up to the individual to accept responsibility to make himself or herself "employable." This is out-dated folly.

A society controlled by central directive would not be suffering this kind of indignity. Industry controlled by government would prevent jobloss from workplace obsolesence by pre-determining professions and providing training for those chosen for each. In the meantime, our government should restrict businesses from moving abroad or outsourcing labor from more favorable labor forces elsewhere.

Proper leadership will be provided by Hillary or Obama, regardless of the comments taken out of context painting Barak as insensitive to blue-collar mentality.

A very outdated concept there. Outsourcing is because of union regulation which has prompted higer wages becase of the higher price of living. Face it, outdated manufacturing tehniques involving humans is one sure way to wreck this country as we cling to building everything stateside.

If we arent competitive then we need to wake up and readjust our economy accordingly. Let's say I had lots of cinnamon and my property had the perfect conditions for growing it. Let's also say that you have lots of wheat and are good at making bread. Now it makes more sense for me to trade you some of my cinnamon for your bread in order to fulfill my need for French Toast rather than grow it myself yes? Why should I learn to grow wheat and make bread when ou can do it and your after one of my resources? I can trade my excess for your excess and everyone's happy. Now you might not want my cinnamon and instead prefer ham sandwiches but your ham supplier doesn't like bread and would rather have cinnamon to trade for something he wants. This system is alot easier than me having to grow and produce everything I want. This is Capitalism. The system you espouse instead has everyone producing their own things and trading with no one. The problem with not trading and compromising is that it alienates people and not everyone has the capability to sustain themselves, thus you get wars. Trade prevents us from fighting each other and Capitalism is the best way to ensure that war is averted.

My logic is sound.

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The so-called conservatives talking tough against Socialism.


How do you feel about the confiscation of Bear Sterns? Did you march on the fed in protest? how does it feel to have let happen the very thing you proest about.

The joke is on you.

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That's the irony of it all. They talk tough on it, yet don't do anything to stop it.

Sounds like shrub and "Weapons OF Mass Destruction" how many times did he say those words? this new one is catching up

Right. Because even those claiming to be conservative have learned that they cannot stop progress when enough people demand it. Socialism is the only system capable of providing the needs to the masses.

At the cost of freedom and liberty. I don't care if the people demand it or not. My convictions are not decided by the whim of the majority.

Agreed. A strong central ruler must be set apart from the influence of the majority. Whether one's "convictions" are aligned with such rule is irrelevant, as long as obedience is enforced. Imagine a society where one could ignore laws concerning the environment or taxes. Progress would grind to a halt.

I guess I should have finished my thought...

...nor by the minority elite.

The only obedience I follow is obedience to one's self.

One thing this thread is proving is the opening post is 100% correct. American conservatives have no clue what socialism is?

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