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Old 04-29-2008, 06:30 AM
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One thing this thread is proving is the opening post is 100% correct. American conservatives have no clue what socialism is?
Unfortunately your comment is defied by the facts on this thread.
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Agreed. A strong central ruler must be set apart from the influence of the majority. Whether one's "convictions" are aligned with such rule is irrelevant, as long as obedience is enforced. Imagine a society where one could ignore laws concerning the environment or taxes. Progress would grind to a halt.
Scary. I didn't think people like you existed.

As long as obedience is enforced? Are you serious?!?!? Do you seriously consider a society where no one has the right to make there own decisions for their own life "progress"? Does liberty or personal freedom mean anything to you? You do realize that you are advocating another form of slavery, correct?
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Scary. I didn't think people like you existed.

As long as obedience is enforced? Are you serious?!?!? Do you seriously consider a society where no one has the right to make there own decisions for their own life "progress"? Does liberty or personal freedom mean anything to you? You do realize that you are advocating another form of slavery, correct?
I am advocating the same kind of universal healthcare as both Hillary and Obama. Neither of those intend to tolerate "freedom to make there (sp) own decisions for their own life." Why do you find me offensive? I'm simply a leftist who's honest with myself.
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I am advocating the same kind of universal healthcare as both Hillary and Obama. Neither of those intend to tolerate "freedom to make there (sp) own decisions for their own life." Why do you find me offensive? I'm simply a leftist who's honest with myself.
Cool to be honest with yourself.

But I wouldn't consider forcing people back into bondage "progress".
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One thing this thread is proving is the opening post is 100% correct. American conservatives have no clue what socialism is?
ROFLMNAO... Oh GOD that's precious... (they're so human-like; with thumbs and everything... ya know?)

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I am advocating the same kind of universal healthcare as both Hillary and Obama. Neither of those intend to tolerate "freedom to make there (sp) own decisions for their own life." Why do you find me offensive? I'm simply a leftist who's honest with myself.
"A strong central ruler must be set apart from the influence of the majority. Whether one's "convictions" are aligned with such rule is irrelevant, as long as obedience is enforced."

When you state that, you are advocating so much more than just mandated healthcare. You are advocating complete control by the state. You are advocating that I should not have the right to live my life without having the government tell me what I can and can't do.

I find you offensive because you must believe I am not capable of making the best decisions for my own life, and that I should depend on some politician in Washington to do that for me. No Thanks.
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"A strong central ruler must be set apart from the influence of the majority. Whether one's "convictions" are aligned with such rule is irrelevant, as long as obedience is enforced."

When you state that, you are advocating so much more than just mandated healthcare. You are advocating complete control by the state. You are advocating that I should not have the right to live my life without having the government tell me what I can and can't do.

I find you offensive because you must believe I am not capable of making the best decisions for my own life, and that I should depend on some politician in Washington to do that for me. No Thanks.
Well, you'd better get used to it. The world has grown in population to the point where food, the envirnoment, war/peace, and equality have become much too important to be left to chance by allowing individual desires to cause unnecessary problems for the rest of the masses. Important decisions must be made by a ruler apart from the masses for objectivity to prevail.

We in America and Europe have been moving in the direction of socialism as practiced by the Chinese, No. Koreans, Cubans, and the former Soviet Union. Progress is almost complete.............we only have a few mouldy-old ideas remaining about "rugged individualism" to finish removing from our thought process in order to achieve the level of progressivism we are destined to achieve.

Either keep fighting against the inevitable, or relax and join the transition. Either way, the task is mostly complete.
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Either keep fighting against the inevitable, or relax and join the transition. Either way, the task is mostly complete.
Was that your attempt at converting me from my "rugged individualistic" ways?

Well I've got so many things I could say but there is no arguing with someone as brainwashed as you are. Please do me a big favor and never vote again.
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Kind of off topic here, but I saw someone say that Socialism was "taking all my hard earned money and giving it to worthless, lazy people" (something along those lines)

I am kind of torn on a statement like that. Yes naturally alot of the more lazy people in society do benefit from a socialist system and hard working people have a cap, or a limit on how much they can do with their lives.

But for me, I have always looked at it like this....Yes the lazy pieces of crap will benefit, but at least the children will be taken care of. Kids cant help it if their parents suck lol.

But naturally I get peoples frustrations with Socialism. I have them myself.

I mean I joined the military, put my wife through school to become an RN (registered nurse), did a little bit of schooling myself while there, now I work in a Pharmacy which SUCKS, and am still going to school as I have been for years, pursuing my dreams in life.

And at the end of the day, a big chunk of my tax money goes to helping out lazy people. Yeah it is frustrating as all h*ll.

I just try to think of all the kids that these social programs are helping though and it isnt really too bad.

Capitalism enables you to reach for the stars....for those at the bottom of the barrel though it sucks. Alot of them should just work harder, however some legitimately cant help their standing in our society.

I think though that people shouldnt always throw around Socialism like its a dirty word. COMMUNISM is IMO a bad thing. Socialism at its very core is simply an idea that was meant to make peoples lives better. We can ALL disagree as to whether or not it does that, however to just assume that its a bad thing is somewhat simple minded in my opinion.
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Kind of off topic here, but I saw someone say that Socialism was "taking all my hard earned money and giving it to worthless, lazy people" (something along those lines)
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