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I'm with you, Tuatara. This country sucks from it's foot-dragging on getting up to the progressive state we are meant to be. Although much progress has been made over the past 50 years, there is still too much clinging to old, outdated notions of personal liberties and personal property. But Hillary and Obama will move things along at a better pace with universal healthcare and strong environmental regulations as basis for progressive growth.
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I'm with you, Tuatara. This country sucks from it's foot-dragging on getting up to the progressive state we are meant to be. Although much progress has been made over the past 50 years, there is still too much clinging to old, outdated notions of personal liberties and personal property. But Hillary and Obama will move things along at a better pace with universal healthcare and strong environmental regulations as basis for progressive growth.
Outdated notions of personal liberties and personal property? You want socialism move to Canada.
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Outdated notions of personal liberties and personal property? You want socialism move to Canada.
My point is that we HAVE socialism. And we will pass Canada in our move to a truly progressive society. Just be patient.
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I was locked & loaded when I opened this thread. Now all I have locked is my jaw. What does one say to a post like the OP?
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It is an idiotic post.
But so true in many aspects, and you are ticked because you were all hyped up to bash in this thread. But instead your bubble got popped.
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Notice the posters who agree with this guy, and who DISagree.

Interesting dichotomy, isn't it?
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Why I DISLIKE America

I have been on the various political boards complaining about the Bush administration for several months. I have vented my anger about the genocide that the U.S. is committing in Iraq (incidentally, I REALLY had to stretch the meaning of that word to make it fit.)

But I haven't really achieved anything with all of my (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing...why?

I think the main reason is, at the end of the day I still have the same insecurity issues. I live in a European country that only has the GNP of a couple of U.S. states. Our economy is so shaky that God forbid the U.S. economy should ever fall apart because if it did, it would send such shock waves throughout the global markets that it would put us into the biggest recession we've ever seen. America has the best space program in the world, eight of the top ten Universities in the world and they make up about 25% of the total world economy. I know that my own country could be reduced to rubble overnight by any other country with a decent military who at whim decided they wanted to invade us, as we have no decent military of our own. Not to mention that my forefathers fought so poorly and surrendered so quickly that US troops had to spill their blood on our soil to bail us out.

It's ironic that my venting about the Iraq war really has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq at all. It has been merely a means for me to blow off steam about my own raging insecurity issues with the world's only super power. I never gave a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the Iraqi people while Saddam Hussein was killing them off by the thousands and I never cared about the abuses that went on at Abu Ghraib until the U.S. military became the new managers of it. Now SUDDENLY everytime an Iraq detainee gets so much as a hangnail from a U.S. soldier I'm absolutely OUTRAGED by it where I couldn't have cared less before. Everytime the U.S. military unintentionally kills civilians I make sure I post a thread about it here to condemn it, yet whenever an Iraqi "freedom fighter" straps a suicide bomb to himself and intentionally targets innocent civilians I'm strangely unconcerned.

Anyway, my theory is this; whenever an angry loser hears about a celebrity who's having problems, they usually will feel good about it because then they can ignore their own problems, point their finger at the celebrity and temperarily improve their self-esteem by pretending to be pompous, self-righteous and superior. I think it's the same about America. I can point my finger at them whenever I feel inferior and if the war in Iraq wasn't happening I would simply find something else about America to criticize. While I pretend to care about the Iraqi people, secretly I am elated whenever I read about another mass suicide bombing because I know this may lead to a bloody Iraqi civil war and more importantly; a U.S. defeat.

Someone suggested that perhaps I should look at the failures of my own life and that of my own country and try to work to correct those rather than pretending to be an intellectual while I blindly jump on a mindless bandwagon that blames the United States for all the ills in the world.

Nah, I don't think so. If blaming America for my own problems is good enough for certain world leaders then it's good enough for me as well.


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Why I dislike this post!!!

It is because the premise seems to be, that "liberals" criticize america when they do bad, but not others. And what we should be doing is justifying the bad things america does, by pointing out that others do things that are worse! That would be like me advocating the release of a man who raped a 28 year old woman, becuase another man raped an 11 year old girl! It doesn't make sense! Just because others have done worse, doesn't mean we still shouldn't hold our goernment accountable for the things it does!
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Another thing. It is not my responsibility to hold the governments of other countries accountable for how they act! If North Korea oppresses its people, it is the responsibility of North Koreans to do something about it!

It is however my responsibility to hold the government of the USA accountable, because I am a citizen of the USA!
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Why I DISLIKE America

I have been on the various political boards complaining about the Bush administration for several months. I have vented my anger about the genocide that the U.S. is committing in Iraq (incidentally, I REALLY had to stretch the meaning of that word to make it fit.)

But I haven't really achieved anything with all of my (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing...why?

I think the main reason is, at the end of the day I still have the same insecurity issues. I live in a European country that only has the GNP of a couple of U.S. states. Our economy is so shaky that God forbid the U.S. economy should ever fall apart because if it did, it would send such shock waves throughout the global markets that it would put us into the biggest recession we've ever seen. America has the best space program in the world, eight of the top ten Universities in the world and they make up about 25% of the total world economy. I know that my own country could be reduced to rubble overnight by any other country with a decent military who at whim decided they wanted to invade us, as we have no decent military of our own. Not to mention that my forefathers fought so poorly and surrendered so quickly that US troops had to spill their blood on our soil to bail us out.

It's ironic that my venting about the Iraq war really has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq at all. It has been merely a means for me to blow off steam about my own raging insecurity issues with the world's only super power. I never gave a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the Iraqi people while Saddam Hussein was killing them off by the thousands and I never cared about the abuses that went on at Abu Ghraib until the U.S. military became the new managers of it. Now SUDDENLY everytime an Iraq detainee gets so much as a hangnail from a U.S. soldier I'm absolutely OUTRAGED by it where I couldn't have cared less before. Everytime the U.S. military unintentionally kills civilians I make sure I post a thread about it here to condemn it, yet whenever an Iraqi "freedom fighter" straps a suicide bomb to himself and intentionally targets innocent civilians I'm strangely unconcerned.

Anyway, my theory is this; whenever an angry loser hears about a celebrity who's having problems, they usually will feel good about it because then they can ignore their own problems, point their finger at the celebrity and temperarily improve their self-esteem by pretending to be pompous, self-righteous and superior. I think it's the same about America. I can point my finger at them whenever I feel inferior and if the war in Iraq wasn't happening I would simply find something else about America to criticize. While I pretend to care about the Iraqi people, secretly I am elated whenever I read about another mass suicide bombing because I know this may lead to a bloody Iraqi civil war and more importantly; a U.S. defeat.

Someone suggested that perhaps I should look at the failures of my own life and that of my own country and try to work to correct those rather than pretending to be an intellectual while I blindly jump on a mindless bandwagon that blames the United States for all the ills in the world.

Nah, I don't think so. If blaming America for my own problems is good enough for certain world leaders then it's good enough for me as well.


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o.O you're mocking someone, aren't you. World leaders perhaps? If that's true, then I feel I should let you know that that is a perfectly normal reaction to stress or anger or something... i don't really remember, nor do I want to. It's got something to do with psychology, and I just took my psych final today, so I never want to see that (*)(*)(*)(*) again
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