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Old 05-01-2008, 10:35 PM
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What we need is a whole new face of politics. Todays world is 'governed' by people whose only goal is to lie to the masses and to make money and if necessary, get rid of those who pose a big threat to them. They are then controlled by banks, who are only there for money. Thus, the world today is not centred by peace and justice but by money.

The current US candidates (i have never seen such a circus before!!) as mentioned before, have said nothing about freedom but there is no freedom left anymore on this planet, as freedom of speech is slowly disappearing and in some countries, has been almost completely eradicated. And if you try to voice your own beliefs, you are taken out like a fly and the governments could not care less. Politics is no longer a high honour as it used to be; it is now a way to 'look better' than anybody else and making money.
Mr. Bush mentioned freedom 14 times after the WTC 'disaster' in paris that many EU leaders found to be a boring speech; and yet he was the one who masterminded the whole thing in the first place, as a way to find blame in Al Queda for the incident themselves and so go to war with them just for the oil - money. Why do you think he carried on reading that book in the elementary school and it was made fun of in Scary Movie 3?

This is not what a world leader should be. Another human race has a council of elders, both wise and generous to the people and they have expressed before that we should do the same but as our own pace, for certain reasons.

As far as this EU presidential race is concerned, it is taking away more and more freedom and making more rules that will make life more difficult for the majority of the people.

Has anyone ever thought of creating a website, or post in CNN or BBC about revealing the truth to people about the governments REAL secrets? A large group that has enough of the right followers to slowly break through the eggshell of out prison and expose what is really out there? I know it is a life risk but we have to do something -somehow.

Ever heard of a man called David Icke? If there were more people on Earth with his knowledge, imagine what power the masses would have over the smallest group on Earth. It would be comparing a resistance of insects on human beings!! This small group controls us by keeping us 'stupid'.
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Yep, the Queen of England is a reptile. Look mate, I agree with the general thrust of your argument but the solution ain't to be found in a very clever Englishman, ex footballer and tv presenter David Icke, who has made a considerable buck out of naive conspiracy theorists like you. These are the same kind of impressionable people who believe that the towers on 9-11 were brought down as a result of controlled explosives and that a series of undercover secret societies are controlling the world etc etc. Now, what Mr Icke does is he uses a combination of new age philiosophy, pyseudo- Marxism and existential Buddhism in order to attempt to manipulate the naive and vulnerable into effectively doing NOTHING about the problems we face in our world.

Because, you see by implying that a group of shadowy individuals (the SYMPTOMS of the problem) acting on behalf of the so called new world order, are the real problem, has the effect of underplaying the very real and objective socio-economic CAUSES. In other words, our knowledge and understanding of who our enemy is in terms of identifying particular individuals who may or may not be members of say the illuminati, in no way effects the trajectory of our response. By knowing who these particular individuals are in other words, has no baring on identifying the underlying socio-economic and political causes that give rise to these individuals acting the way they act.

More importantly, by purely identifying and pointing out to others the nature of their misdeeds all we end up doing is encouraging political passivity and inaction. Its not them per se who are the root of the problem, but rather the socio-economic and political context in which they operate. Therefore we are better to concentrate our minds and energies on transforming the system itself rather than wasting our time pin-pointing individuals. Icke may well and truelly mean well, but all he ends up doing by spouting his nonsense is to throw sand in all the faces of political activists like me.
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What we need is a whole new face of politics. Todays world is 'governed' by people whose only goal is to lie to the masses and to make money and if necessary, get rid of those who pose a big threat to them. They are then controlled by banks, who are only there for money. Thus, the world today is not centred by peace and justice but by money.
Not to worry sport, the ideological left has now metastasized and where that happens revolution is never far behind... It won't last long so before they start it, arm yourself and stock up on that all important ammo... with luck when it's all over, you won't be able to find a soul on the planet that will admit to ever having had a collectivist thought swim through their noggin... and peace will reign for a thousand years... so buck up and embrace the horror; as it's all you've got...

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I never claimed that 100,000 civilians died by American hands. I merely state the fact that our invasion and occupation has resulted in 100,000 civilian deaths.

This is figure approximates the numbers from Iraq Body Count, the most well documented, and highly regarded, source of civilian Iraq deaths from violence during our war with Iraq.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
So your logic is that if we are not there, the number will go down... That makes perfect sense... not.
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