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The UN charter is not a treaty, it's merely a document much akin to our constitution. In fact, the UN charter is based almost solely on our constitution. We create the organization to give a voice to nations in an open political forum. We didn't create the UN as a check/balance organization for our own international affairs.

I could rant about the UN, the oil for food scandal, how they do not serve our interests and should be dissolved especially since we're the primary fundee. But the only fact that matters is UN Charter =\= treaty, and therefore doesn't not equate to law, and since the it's isn't a treaty, then it isn't law. And since it isn't law, our actions can't be illegal, because a)there's no law prohibiting our nation from making decisions we feel will protect our interests and b)as a sovereign nation we don't answer to any international authority, never have and never will.
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For those who keep making the
assertion that the Americans are in
an illegal war, I say, Prove it, take US
to international court, charge us with
it, otherwise stop your lying nonsense.

If your own countries won't take
action against the Americans and
it's an illegal war, then they TOO are
criminals. LMAO

Believing that this is an illegal war
is like believing in the moon landing
as being a hoax. just absurd.


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For those who keep making the
assertion that the Americans are in
an illegal war, I say, Prove it, take US
to international court, charge us with
it, otherwise stop your lying nonsense.

If your own countries won't take
action against the Americans and
it's an illegal war, then they TOO are
criminals. LMAO

Believing that this is an illegal war
is like believing in the moon landing
as being a hoax. just absurd.


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lol you say it brother!!!
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For those who keep making the
assertion that the Americans are in
an illegal war, I say, Prove it, take US
to international court, charge us with
it, otherwise stop your lying nonsense.

If your own countries won't take
action against the Americans and
it's an illegal war, then they TOO are
criminals. LMAO

Believing that this is an illegal war
is like believing in the moon landing
as being a hoax. just absurd.


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It's an illegal war because it is against our Constitution (which is the law of the land).
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It's an illegal war because it is against our Constitution (which is the law of the land).


Then where are the indictments?


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It's an illegal war because it is against our Constitution (which is the law of the land).
Please show us the Article/Section of the Constitution your referring to.....
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Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
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The UN charter is not a treaty, it's merely a document much akin to our constitution. In fact, the UN charter is based almost solely on our constitution. We create the organization to give a voice to nations in an open political forum. We didn't create the UN as a check/balance organization for our own international affairs.

WTF?!?!

Why is the UN Charter not a treaty?

Treaty - it is a contract, an agreement, a pact between International Organizations and Countries and its States under International Law.It can be pertaining to trade and peace or some other agreement
http://www.legal-explanations.com/de...ons/treaty.htm

Are you saying that the UN Charter IS NOT a contract, an agreement, a pact between International Organizations and Countries and its States under International Law, pertaining to trade and peace or some other agreement.

Do you have anything to support this opinion - or is it just something you have made up to try to justify to yourself the illegal, unprovoked invasion that has murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians?

The United Nations Charter is a treaty of the United States, and as such forms part of the "supreme law of the land" under the Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2.
http://www.lcnp.org/global/iraqstatement3.htm

The United Nations Charter (1945) is both a multilateral treaty and the constituent instrument of the United Nations.http://www.britannica.com/eb/topic-6...United-Nations

The United Nations Charter is the treaty that forms and establishes the international organization called the United Nations[1]. It was signed at the United Nations Conference on International Organization in San Francisco, California, United States, in 1945, by 50 of the 51 original member countries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Charter

The U.N. Charter is a treaty. It is part of a larger body of international law. The United States, as a United Nations member, is bound by its terms.
Article 2 (4) of the Charter says nations: “Shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state.”

http://www.lacrossetribune.com/artic...s/02letter.txt

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So how does section 8 and the enumerated powers of congress prove this is illegal?
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It's an illegal war because it is against our Constitution (which is the law of the land).


Then where are the indictments?


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The SC doesn't give a crap.

Congress obviously doesn't give a crap.

The American people obviously don't give a crap.

Hard to have an "indictment" when people don't give a crap about the Constitution.
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