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Old 05-08-2008, 05:06 PM
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FAIL!


ABSURD! You've chronically rejected refutation of this asinine position, refused to provide a valid basis in reasoning for these rejections as well as refused to provide supporting evidence for discredited positions.



I didn't suggest anything sis; I stated as INCONTESTABLE FACT that authorizing the use of military force against a sovereign nation is a declaration of WAR... providing IRREFUTABLE Documentation, which you simply reject out of hand, absent any discernable basis in valid reasoning while refusing to respond to a repeated and reasonable challenge for you to simply cite a constitutional source in support of your long discredited argument which hinges upon a constitutional basis. Thus...

You FAIL!
You can continue to put "YOU FAIL" in big red font, but it doesn't mean anything.

Just because you disagree with them doesn't substantiate your claim that they are invalid.
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Please read the whole reference. You will find that it is well documented that the president can do whatever he wants with the military to protect the US. There are many examples that support this, not only from recent times. But from the fathers themselves. It was long ago stated (directly after it was written) that declaring war is not necessary for military action.

If you would have actually read my reference we would not be having this conversation right now.
I don't need to read your link CDP (even though I did). I know what the President can and can't do. I also know what Congress can and can't do.
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I don't need to read your link CDP (even though I did). I know what the President can and can't do. I also know what Congress can and can't do.
Apparently not, as it clearly states what his constitutional rights are in that document.
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Apparently not, as it clearly states what his constitutional rights are in that document.
War Powers Resolution and the Joint Resolution passed on September 14th, 2001 mean nothing to me. They aren't amendments to the Constitution.

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Cracks me up. President has zero authority for that in the Constitution period.
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War Powers Resolution and the Joint Resolution passed on September 14th, 2001 mean nothing to me. They aren't amendments to the Constitution.

The very fact the document says this:



Cracks me up. President has zero authority for that in the Constitution period.
And this makes me laugh, because it shows me that you read nothing after that. Read the rest of the document.
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And this makes me laugh, because it shows me that you read nothing after that. Read the rest of the document.
Stop assuming things.

I've read the document.

Just so you know, that document isn't fact. It was their opinion.
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Stop assuming things.

I've read the document.

Just so you know, that document isn't fact. It was their opinion.
So do you have anything to argue against the "opinion" of the founders? You have yet to provide anything that trumps their statements or actions.


Bug, I am still waiting on backing to your claim.
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So do you have anything to argue against the "opinion" of the founders? You have yet to provide anything that trumps their statements or actions.


Bug, I am still waiting on backing to your claim.
Haha. Nowhere do the founders say anything about preemtive actions.

And just because it is from the "founders" doesn't make it Gospel truth.
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And just because it is from the "founders" doesn't make it Gospel truth.
So, now you are saying that the people that wrote the constitution do not know what they were saying.

Ok. So the only opinion that matters is your own! Got it.

I see that you have stopped posting "evidence". Can you post something that discounts what I have posted?
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The National Science Foundation announced the following study results on U.S. military recreation preferences:
1. Sport of choice for Marines: bowling.
2. Sport of choice for Sailors: football.
3. Sport of choice for Soldiers: baseball.
4. Sport of choice for Coast Guardsmen: tennis.
5. Sport of choice for Airmen: golf.
Notice how the farther down the list you go, the smaller their balls get.
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So, now you are saying that the people that wrote the constitution do not know what they were saying.

Ok. So the only opinion that matters is your own! Got it.

I see that you have stopped posting "evidence". Can you post something that discounts what I have posted?
Well, I could post the entirety of the US Constitution to show nowhere do they say the President is allowed preentive doctrine. But that would be pointless.

The Founders weren't 100% correct on everything. The Constitution isn't perfect. But what we go is what it is and the Iraq War goes against it. But yes, it is quite clear what they said in the Constitution. I don't care what they said outside of it though.
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