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Well, I could post the entirety of the US Constitution to show nowhere do they say the President is allowed preentive doctrine. But that would be pointless.
Yes it would be, as the constitution is a living document.

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The Founders weren't 100% correct on everything.
No it is not.

[quote]The Constitution isn't perfect.[quote]

No it is not.

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But what we go is what it is and the Iraq War goes against it.
No it does not. Read the source. Or hell, just read the quotes I provided. They are but a fraction that gives the president authority to do with the military as he pleases if he believes that it is in the best interest of the nation.

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So you are fine with the fact that they did not include women in the constitution?
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No it does not. Read the source. Or hell, just read the quotes I provided. They are but a fraction that gives the president authority to do with the military as he pleases if he believes that it is in the best interest of the nation.

So you are fine with the fact that they did not include women in the constitution?
Nothing in the Constitution allows the Congress to pass the power for authorization of force on foreign countries to the President. Yes, the President is allowed to send troops as necessary with regards to imminent threats or self-defense as Commander in Chief. Nowhere though, is preeventive doctrine mentioned. Your source sucks essentially.

Like I said, the Constitution wasn't perfect.
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Nothing in the Constitution allows the Congress to pass the power for authorization of force on foreign countries to the President. Yes, the President is allowed to send troops as necessary with regards to imminent threats or self-defense as Commander in Chief. Nowhere though, is preeventive doctrine mentioned. Your source sucks essentially.

Like I said, the Constitution wasn't perfect.
They didn't have to pass power to him, as I have already showed.
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They didn't have to pass power to him, as I have already showed.
WPR/JR mean nothing to me. Those aren't amendments to the Constitution and until they are, they mean nothing with regards to constitutionality.
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WPR/JR mean nothing to me. Those aren't amendments to the Constitution and until they are, they mean nothing with regards to constitutionality.
You already said that the constitution was not perfect.
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You already said that the constitution was not perfect.
So the Constitution not being perfect negates something that goes against it?

I'm fine with throwing the Constitution out and replacing it with a new one, but for the time being, we have what we have.
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So the Constitution not being perfect negates something that goes against it?

I'm fine with throwing the Constitution out and replacing it with a new one, but for the time being, we have what we have.
How does military action go against the Constitution? It specifically says that the President is the Commander in Chief of the military. Meaning that he can tell them to do, whatever he wants. It is kind of like a squad leader telling his boys that they need to charge that machine gun nest. He can do that because he is their leader.

Please remember that this discussion has been fought for two hundred and some years. Your side has never won.
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How does military action go against the Constitution? It specifically says that the President is the Commander in Chief of the military. Meaning that he can tell them to do, whatever he wants. It is kind of like a squad leader telling his boys that they need to charge that machine gun nest. He can do that because he is their leader.

Please remember that this discussion has been fought for two hundred and some years. Your side has never won.
Because we are a war country.

Nonetheless, being Commander in Chief doesn't allow the President to do "whatever he wants". It's called checks and balances and the reason the power to declare war is given to Congress.
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Because we are a war country.
No, our military is at war, our country is at the mall.

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Actually it does. It allows him to do whatever he sees will defend the best interests of the nation and her people.
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No, our military is at war, our country is at the mall.
Doesn't negate the fact that we are a war country.

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Actually it does. It allows him to do whatever he sees will defend the best interests of the nation and her people.
Even if that was in the Constitution (which "doing whatever he wants" surely isn't), I would disagree with that.

Too dictatorshipish for me.
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