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Yes, there were opinions in there. But they were backed by Constitutional fact.

As it is a legal document, it was a legal decision by the president to use military action in Iraq.

There for, you are unable to truthfully use the illegal war argument.

You can say that “It was illegal in your opinion” all you want. But you can not claim it to be fact.
You can't claim it to be fact either. I'll concede to it not being fact. But of course, you would never do such a thing. There is far too much controversy and a split between those that think it is legal and those that think it isn't to declare it is fact one way or another. I'll concede to that as I said.

However, preemtive doctrine is not backed by the Constitution.
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This is not unique. In fact, we are following in the ideological footsteps of ancient Rome and host of other nations, as well.
Of course it isn't unique. It's just odd.
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We are a perpetual waring country that professes perpetual peace.
I don't think so. Nothing in our history or slogans suggests that we are perpetually at peace.

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I don't think so. Nothing in our history or slogans suggests that we are perpetually at peace.

I didn't say that.

I said we say we are in "peace" (like during the Clinton years) or working towards "peace" or fighting for "peace".

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You can't claim it to be fact either. I'll concede to it not being fact. But of course, you would never do such a thing. There is far too much controversy and a split between those that think it is legal and those that think it isn't to declare it is fact one way or another. I'll concede to that as I said.

However, preemtive doctrine is not backed by the Constitution.
I stated that there is opinion in there. But their opinions are backed by constitutional fact. You yourself admitted that it is not perfect.

Regardless of if it is opinion, or not. It is legal.
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I didn't say that.

I said we say we are in "peace" (like during the Clinton years) or working towards "peace" or fighting for "peace".
We were in peace during the Clinton years?

Anyway. As long as there are differing opinions in the world, and different nations, there will be conflict.

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We were in peace during the Clinton years?
That's what everyone says. Every book I've read, anyone I've spoken to, pundits, politicians, etc all refer to that era as "peace and prosperity". While, the prosperity part is correct, the peace aspect isn't.
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I stated that there is opinion in there. But their opinions are backed by constitutional fact. You yourself admitted that it is not perfect.

Regardless of if it is opinion, or not. It is legal.
And I disagree with that notion and think it is illegal.

You have just as much basis as I do.

And again, show me in the Constitution where it allows preentive doctrine.
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And I disagree with that notion and think it is illegal.

You have just as much basis as I do.

And again, show me in the Constitution where it allows preentive doctrine.
The constitution does not need to say that it is allowed. The president has all the authority he needs to use the armed forces as he sees fit to best protect the nation. As seen in the link I already provided.

Let’s think of this in very simple terms. Can the battalion commander use his battalion to accomplish a mission set for him? Yes he can.

The president is the Commander in Chief. His mission is to see that the nation, her people, and her interests are protected.

As there is nothing that says he can not use them preemptively, he can.

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The constitution does not need to say that it is allowed. The president has all the authority he needs to use the armed forces as he sees fit to best protect the nation. As seen in the link I already provided.

Let’s think of this in very simple terms. Can the battalion commander use his battalion to accomplish a mission set for him? Yes he can.

The president is the Commander in Chief. His mission is to see that the nation, her people, and her interests are protected.
It isn't an assumed power. It isn't something the President can just "do". Unless of course, the Constitution was amended.

If you are sending United States troops to another nation and those US troops are killing another nation's troops, unless there was a declaration of war from our nation, that would be illegal.
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