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It isn't an assumed power. It isn't something the President can just "do". Unless of course, the Constitution was amended.

If you are sending United States troops to another nation and those US troops are killing another nation's troops, unless there was a declaration of war from our nation, that would be illegal.
As the constitution does not state that he can not. No amendment is required.

If it said that he could not, then one would be needed for him to be able to.

His job as Commander in Chief is as listed above. This is indisputable.
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As the constitution does not state that he can not. No amendment is required.

If it said that he could not, then one would be needed for him to be able to.

His job as Commander in Chief is as listed above. This is indisputable.
The ninth and tenth amendment would want a word with you.

If it doesn't fall under any earlier catagory, it goes to those two.
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The ninth and tenth amendment would want a word with you.

If it doesn't fall under any earlier catagory, it goes to those two.
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Nothing saying anything about the topic of discussion. It is simply stating that if it is not covered, it can not violate the rest of the nations rights. This does not apply as it is not violating their rights.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

As it was not covered in anything else, nor did it specifically state that it can not happen. It fell upon congress, they agreed that the pres had the authority. As they are an extension of the people, it does not violate this amendment.
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"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Nothing saying anything about the topic of discussion. It is simply stating that if it is not covered, it can not violate the rest of the nations rights. This does not apply as it is not violating their rights.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

As it was not covered in anything else, nor did it specifically state that it can not happen. It fell upon congress, they agreed that the pres had the authority. As they are an extension of the people, it does not violate this amendment.
I'm not talking about violating the amendments.

Nonetheless, I'll agree to disagree. I don't care to continue to go in circle after circle. You aren't going to change your stance. I conceded a little bit. Anyhow...
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You can continue to put "YOU FAIL" in big red font, but it doesn't mean anything.

Just because you disagree with them doesn't substantiate your claim that they are invalid.
*personal insult removed.*
It's as simple as that. She has yet to advance a valid argument, she can't cite a single valid statute which supports her assertion of a violation; she has repeatedly stated that without regard to the evidence and reason which refutes her position she will simply continue to charge otherwise and the site simply refuses to enforce its own rules regarding trolling...

But this is a fine exercise in testing the reason of the ideological left and their anti-American perspective; a perspective which is just as vacuous as this members specious argument... they're simply dogmatic defenders of a failing ideology desperate to ignore their own failure and desperation of such a level that they are now promoting an enemy that were they to actually get their way and see that enemy succeed in its goal of a world-wide caliphate…, the first people that enemy would kill, would be them...

Let the record reflect that this member advances an argument which declares the United Nations as the final world authority, with its charter representing the scope of international law.

The UN Charter is not international law, on any level and is not binding against even member states, let alone non-member states.

This member declares that the US Constitution lays out specific language which requires Congress to declare war in specific terms; yet the member cannot cite a single article within the USC in support of that position.

The Member refuses to post supporting argument, rejects refuting evidence and continues to advance a thoroughly failed position.


*this member needs to learn to refrain from personal insults or he will be taking a time out.*


He is advancing the equivalent of: 2+2=7 and despite all of the evidence to the contrary, with analogical descriptions illustrating the certain value of four being the sum of 2 & 2... The advocate simply rationalizes that there are many people who believe 2+2=7 so he's entitled to say so...

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I'm not talking about violating the amendments.

Nonetheless, I'll agree to disagree. I don't care to continue to go in circle after circle. You aren't going to change your stance. I conceded a little bit. Anyhow...
Yet your entire argument is circular... Fascinatin'


You lost a week ago; you continuing to assert a failed position does not a valid argument make...

There is no agreement to disagree, you've been PROVEN WRONG. You can't cite a valid statute which would support you assertion that the US is in violation of that statute...

You claim the USC requires Congress Declare War in certain terms, yet you can't cite a a USC reference which supports THAT...

Those are the two elements which lie at the foundation of your entire argument and they've been THOROUGHLY REFUTED...

YOU AND YOUR PATHETIC ANTI-AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE ARE PROVEN WRONG... your sole retort has simply to deny that the evidence proves anything and to repeat your asinine point... only to finally beg off and hysterically claim you're above going around in CIRCLES!

ROFLMNAO... Leftists...

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That's what everyone says. Every book I've read, anyone I've spoken to, pundits, politicians, etc all refer to that era as "peace and prosperity". While, the prosperity part is correct, the peace aspect isn't.
Neither part is correct if were going to use the same standards as today and apply them to the 90s.

When did the tech bubble burst? Clinton left a nice fat recession for Bush.Of course the run up to it was prosperous but if were using that logic the 'Bush years' were every bit as prosperous,in spite of wars,911,Katrina,Rita,right?

I hear from democrats at every turn how Bush/GOP has destroyed the economy but in reality its fared better than the 'Clinton years' IMO on a cyclical basis.

Both big run ups and big letdowns.However this letdown is hardly the beating the economy took when the .coms all got popped.
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I'm not talking about violating the amendments.

Nonetheless, I'll agree to disagree. I don't care to continue to go in circle after circle. You aren't going to change your stance. I conceded a little bit. Anyhow...
What? Ever since I came to this board you have complained that his decision to go into Iraq was illegal because it violated the constitution. Now you are saying that it does not?

Boy you have a lot of correcting to do then.
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What? Ever since I came to this board you have complained that his decision to go into Iraq was illegal because it violated the constitution. Now you are saying that it does not?

Boy you have a lot of correcting to do then.
Touche'

Isnt it fun to twist these folks inside out?
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Touche'

Isnt it fun to twist these folks inside out?
The sad part is though, there is nothing on the inside. An opinion based on no factual information is always going to be a hard one to support.
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