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Old 05-10-2008, 03:30 PM
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Are there facts in that document? Yes there are opinions in there, but they are backed by constitutional fact.

Does the constitution not say that the President is the Commander in Chief of the military? Have you provided any facts, or does the constitution say that the President can not use the military?
The President is Commander in Chief. I have no disputed this. You have not seen me dispute this or even attempt to. Yet, you keep bringing it back up for some reason.

But when I bring up preemtive doctrine, you shy away.
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Let me ask you a question. Would you go to war to defend a allie like England or to defend people who are being oppressed? Would that not be the moral thing to do?
No.

I don't believe in allies and enemies. Remaining neutral.

I do not believe it moral to send our troops to die for another countries problems.
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Sounds like the usual Obama supporter.
Too bad Obama sucks and I wouldn't vote for him if you put a gun to my head.
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Too bad Obama sucks and I wouldn't vote for him if you put a gun to my head.
Neither would I.
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The President is Commander in Chief. I have no disputed this. You have not seen me dispute this or even attempt to. Yet, you keep bringing it back up for some reason.

But when I bring up preemtive doctrine, you shy away.
The reason I keep bringing this up is simple.

The presidents job as CiC is to make sure we are safe from foreign attack. As the CiC he can do with the mil as he sees to accomplish that mission.

Once again to put this in simple terms. Very simple this time.

General Y is tasked with providing security in x part of the AOR. His intel tells him that bad guy S is going to hit them soon. General Y sees this treat and has 1/3 hit bad guy S before he can hit us. Bad guy S is now dead, and the thread has been reduced. Mission accomplished.
Same frigging thing.

Or would you rather have General Y wait till they have been hit?
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The reason I keep bringing this up is simple.

The presidents job as CiC is to make sure we are safe from foreign attack. As the CiC he can do with the mil as he sees to accomplish that mission.

Once again to put this in simple terms. Very simple this time.

General Y is tasked with providing security in x part of the AOR. His intel tells him that bad guy S is going to hit them soon. General Y sees this treat and has 1/3 hit bad guy S before he can hit us. Bad guy S is now dead, and the thread has been reduced. Mission accomplished.
Same frigging thing.

Or would you rather have General Y wait till they have been hit?
Once again, you shy away.

And it's not the same thing.

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Once again, you shy away.

And it's not the same thing.
How did I shy away? How is it not the same? The General has his mission and will accomplish it within the laws set (nothing in the laws says the president can not act preemptively). The President has his mission and will accomplish it.

Nothing in the constitution negates this. You are off her son.
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Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

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Terrorist attacks are a bit different. But a standing army won't thwart that either. Foreign policy changes will.
I am fully willing to admit that I agree with what the government has been trying to brainwash us to believe. I do agree that the terrorists (at least as of 2001-2003, probably hasn't changed all that much) hate us for our lifestyles, and not for anything that we have ever done to them or against them.
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Women are in the military also.
Yeah, but he doesn't make a point about the women. Just the men.
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Government policy, which is all you are quoting, has nothing to do with international law.
International law doesn't matter and I don't necessarily care what the UN has to say.
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