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Old 05-13-2008, 08:35 AM
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Some posts make it incredibly difficult for me to follow the rules here. Like this one, for instance.

The ignorance displayed in this particular post is astounding.

Do you drive a car? Eat food? Live in a house? Use a computer? Guess what? Your lifestyle is maintained by the American reliance on petroleum. At some point, we may succeed in weaning ourselves off of oil, but until then, you, and everything about your life, relies on big oil to make it happen. The food you eat is probably grown elsewhere and shipped to you by truck, using gasoline. It's raised using tractors that run on gasoline. The toys you play with daily were also shipped to you using trucks. Without oil, your life as you know it ceases to exist.

So, stop with these naive posts that show such a poor connection to reality.
Sorry Catz, but the liberals on this thread don't drive cars, eat food, or live in a house (they do use computers though) because they are all Communists hippies who reject all the evils of capitalism to live in their eco-friendly socialist communes in the middle of nowhere. (One does have to wonder why they even use computers. It would be a blessing if they didn't)
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I'm quite certain they don't use soap, which contains petroleum by-products.

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I'm quite certain they don't use soap, which contains petroleum by-products.

Or water that isn't hauled up from the closet pond full of scum, because anything else wouldn't be "eco-friendly."
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Is there anything more enjoyable than mocking the pretensions of the hypocritical hippy crowd? I think not.
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Some posts make it incredibly difficult for me to follow the rules here. Like this one, for instance.

The ignorance displayed in this particular post is astounding. Aside from the lack of understanding of the issues leading up to the war as evidenced by the post, it's just utter bollocks.

Do you drive a car? Eat food? Live in a house? Use a computer? Guess what? Your lifestyle is maintained by the American reliance on petroleum. At some point, we may succeed in weaning ourselves off of oil, but until then, you, and everything about your life, relies on big oil to make it happen. The food you eat is probably grown elsewhere and shipped to you by truck, using gasoline. It's raised using tractors that run on gasoline. The toys you play with daily were also shipped to you using trucks. Without oil, your life as you know it ceases to exist.

This post stinks to high heaven of naivite, coupled with ultimate hypocrisy. Your hands are as dirty as anyone else's just by virtue of driving on the highway or eating dinner tonight.
I'm sorry but this post reeks of so much ignorance. Is it true that the world has become dependent of oil? Yes. Is the only way to obtain the oil is by way of force and warfare? No. Oil is big money and wherever there is big money there is corruption and dirty politics. The world has become so dependent on oil because of the oil industy's stranglehold and control of other resources. They buy out patents and ideas and shelve them and they use their money influence to quash and distort progressive innovations. ie: Electric Cars, Solar Power, bio-fuels...etc. And to state the life would cease to exist without oil is baffling. With all the uses you mentioned that oil is a part of or is a product of you forgot the two biggest ones. Plastics and polyesters. In fact most of the oil is turned into these materials.
Can we live without these products? Of course we can, we did already for thousands of years. It would be difficult to completely take out all of our lifestyle choices but we can certainly reduce them. Take initiative and don't buy products that contain plastics or clothes with polyesters. Stop driving large gas guzzling vehicles when you have no need for them. Look at alternative renewable resources that help cut down on your dependency of oil related products.
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They buy out patents and ideas and shelve them
What patents have they done this with?
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What patents have they done this with?
Engines powered by Bio fuels, certain types of engines and batteries for electric cars.

Read this
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/07/377/
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Is the only way to obtain the oil is by way of force and warfare?
Who is saying anything about going to war for oil?
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Oh really? Nevermind that biofuels are contributing, ACTIVELY, to starvation in other parts of the world that used to rely on U.S. shipments of food.

Humans aren't really that important, are they?

p.s. While many of the items you listed are POSSIBLE, in the the future, if America (and Canada, and China, and Europe, and other major industrial powers, for that matter), were to be immediately deprived of petroleum products, the world economy would crash in minutes and we'd all starve to death.

So, until you've totally replaced your carbon footprint by 100%, and your family's, your hands are just as unclean as the foulest warmonger's.

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I'm sorry but this post reeks of so much ignorance. Is it true that the world has become dependent of oil? Yes. Is the only way to obtain the oil is by way of force and warfare?
If you ask me, it's ignorant to assume such a flatuous conclusion as this without providing evidence. What force and warfare are you speaking of?

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No. Oil is big money and wherever there is big money there is corruption and dirty politics.
Corruption and dirty politics is not the exclusive domain of the oil industry. The UN has a pretty good understanding of the rudiments of corruption, too, if you ask me. You could just about support any argument by basing it on human greed. After all, isn't Iran being greedy by trying to extend its sphere of influence into the Straits of Hormutz, and thereby control the flow of oil, too?

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The world has become so dependent on oil because of the oil industy's stranglehold and control of other resources. They buy out patents and ideas and shelve them and they use their money influence to quash and distort progressive innovations. ie: Electric Cars, Solar Power, bio-fuels...etc.
If someone had a patent so good that it seriously threatened the oil's industry's profits, it would seem to me they'd make a lot more money implementing that patent than selling it.

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And to state the life would cease to exist without oil is baffling.
Yes, it is, but no one said that.

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With all the uses you mentioned that oil is a part of or is a product of you forgot the two biggest ones. Plastics and polyesters. In fact most of the oil is turned into these materials.
Can we live without these products? Of course we can, we did already for thousands of years. It would be difficult to completely take out all of our lifestyle choices but we can certainly reduce them. Take initiative and don't buy products that contain plastics or clothes with polyesters. Stop driving large gas guzzling vehicles when you have no need for them. Look at alternative renewable resources that help cut down on your dependency of oil related products.
And you're completely missing the point: which is that any government would be derelict in its duty if it did not protect its people's interests. Currently, the West interests are strongly tied to oil. Accusing Western leaders of engaging in war to steal oil is really rather exaggerated and overblown, considering the prices people are paying at the pump today.
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