**** the troops! - Page 4

MrRelevant · #31 (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRed

What kind of duty is it to follow an order that is incorrect?

They don't have to fight. They don't have to die.

Incorrect would be your opinion,no?

Im not so sure youre qualified to make such statements.

Youre right tho,they dont have to fight-they sign up for it.They sign up for it even today surpassing all the enlistment quotas accross the board,knowing all about the dangers many of them will face.Thats why theres an undefinable aura about the soldier in this country.Put fear,family,personal freedom aside for a higher calling is remarkable.

Herkdriver · #32 (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRed

Yea, they can actually. There were soldiers (some that had been in the military for years and were highly decorated) that stepped down before the invasion of Iraq and plainly said, "No."

Names and ranks?

Bobcat1 · #33 (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bugalugs

No - they volunteered to take part in an illegal, unprovoked invasion.

Apparently you are no judge of international law. The coalition engaged Iraq in war as a consequence of its invasion of Kuwait. The armistice that Saddam Hussein signed at the end of that war was not fulfilled by the government of Iraq. So, your illegal, unprovoked war turns out to be both legal, and provoked.

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That makes them war criminals.

The only thing criminal here is your complete lack of judgement.

bugalugs · #34 (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobcat1

Apparently you are no judge of international law. The coalition engaged Iraq in war as a consequence of its invasion of Kuwait. The armistice that Saddam Hussein signed at the end of that war was not fulfilled by the government of Iraq. So, your illegal, unprovoked war turns out to be both legal, and provoked.
The only thing criminal here is your complete lack of judgement.

No - you are wrong.

The objectives of the invasion, according to U.S. President George W. Bush and U.K. former PM Tony Blair were "to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism, and to free the Iraqi people."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea.../20030322.html

Great Britain, Spain, and the United States have introduced a new resolution stating that Iraq has failed to meet the requirements of Resolution 1441. Saddam Hussein is not disarming. This is a fact. It cannot be denied.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0030306-8.html

Resolution 1441 offered Iraq "a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations"
Great Britain, Spain, and the United States did not gain a further resolution to sanction military action against Iraq. That action was illegal.

Resolution 660, which you are referring to specifically gave sanction for military action if Iraq did not remove its troops from Kuwait. Iraq had no troops in Kuwait in 2003. You argument is nonsense.

Herkdriver · #35 (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by submarinepainter

I ask that you read this article , I believe this person is so full of hate for the USA , unbelievable! Caution it has bad Language .

(*)(*)(*)(*) THE TROOPS
A Beastly Opinion

By Ian Murphy

So, 4000 rubes are dead. Cry me the Tigris. Another 30,000 have been seriously wounded. Boo (*)(*)(*)(*)ing hoo. They got what they asked for—and cool robotic limbs, too.

Likely, just reading the above paragraph made you uncomfortable. But why?

The benevolence of America’s “troops” is sacrosanct. Questioning their rectitude simply isn’t done. It’s the forbidden zone. We may rail against this tragic war, but our soldiers are lauded by all as saints. Why? They volunteered to partake in this savage idiocy, and for this they deserve our utmost respect? I think not.

The nearly two-thirds of us who know this war is bull(*)(*)(*)(*) need to stop sucking off the troops. They get enough action raping female soldiers and sodomizing Iraqi detainees. The political left is intent on “supporting” the troops by bringing them home, which is a good thing. But after rightly denouncing the administration’s lies and condemning this awful war, relatively sensible pundits—like Keith Olbermann—turn around and lovingly praise the soldiers’ brave service to the country. Why?

The rest of this idiots ranting are here

http://www.buffalobeast.com/126/(*)(...an.Murphy.html

Some lone idiot's opinion. Probably hasn't been laid in years.

JavaBlack · #36 (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 07:23 AM

Here's an interesting question:

How many people were heavily offended by the words of the rabble-rouser in question?
How many amongst those answering "yes" also go on innane rants about how PC is destroying the country?

Answer these questions to yourselves honestly. Could tell you something interesting.

I think the point the guy is making is that we tend to have a kind of PC around our troops... He used offensive language to drive the point home... same way that some people who pride themselves on being "anti-PC" do with everything else.

How's it any different here?
The guy has the right to be a jack-ass... and maybe hidden in this crap there is a point about how our culture sees men in uniform.

Herkdriver · #37 (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JavaBlack

Here's an interesting question:

How many people were heavily offended by the words of the rabble-rouser in question?
How many amongst those answering "yes" also go on innane rants about how PC is destroying the country?

Answer these questions to yourselves honestly. Could tell you something interesting.

I think the point the guy is making is that we tend to have a kind of PC around our troops... He used offensive language to drive the point home... same way that some people who pride themselves on being "anti-PC" do with everything else.

How's it any different here?
The guy has the right to be a jack-ass... and maybe hidden in this crap there is a point about how our culture sees men in uniform.

Women are in the military also.

frodly · #38 (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JavaBlack

Here's an interesting question:

How many people were heavily offended by the words of the rabble-rouser in question?
How many amongst those answering "yes" also go on innane rants about how PC is destroying the country?

Answer these questions to yourselves honestly. Could tell you something interesting.

I think the point the guy is making is that we tend to have a kind of PC around our troops... He used offensive language to drive the point home... same way that some people who pride themselves on being "anti-PC" do with everything else.

How's it any different here?
The guy has the right to be a jack-ass... and maybe hidden in this crap there is a point about how our culture sees men in uniform.

I agree with you 100%. The people who get so upset are the ones who often complain about PC. However, it is morons like this guy who make honest debate on the subject hard! When an intelligent person questions the widespread idea in this culture that the troops are tantamount to saints, they get lumped in with idiots like this guy! No intelligent and balanced person says f the troops! Which is basically the same as saying I hope they die!

I don't drive around with a bumper sticker saying "support our troops" because I find it to be dishonest. Buying a bumper sticker does nothing to support the troops. Saying you support the troops seems to me to be the same as saying I hope the troops don't die, and their mission is successful. I hope for that too, but I also hope that innocent Iraqi children don't die either, but I don't put a sticker on my car, because I do nothing to help insure that!

Herkdriver · #39 (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by frodly

I agree with you 100%. The people who get so upset are the ones who often complain about PC. However, it is morons like this guy who make honest debate on the subject hard! When an intelligent person questions the widespread idea in this culture that the troops are tantamount to saints, they get lumped in with idiots like this guy! No intelligent and balanced person says f the troops! Which is basically the same as saying I hope they die!

I don't drive around with a bumper sticker saying "support our troops" because I find it to be dishonest. Buying a bumper sticker does nothing to support the troops. Saying you support the troops seems to me to be the same as saying I hope the troops don't die, and their mission is successful. Well I also hope that innocent Iraqi children don't die either, but I don't put a sticker on my car, because I do nothing to help insure that!

U.S. = 300,000,000 (roughly)

U.S. Veterans = 26,000,000

Less than ONE percent of the population.

JavaBlack · #40 (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Herkdriver

Women are in the military also.

Which makes it all the more astounding that the phrases "our men in uniform" and "our fighting men" are so often used when we are describing soldiers as untouchable forces of good.

It might have something to do with women not being in combat positions... but who knows?

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