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Old 05-05-2008, 09:15 AM
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No - they volunteered to take part in an illegal, unprovoked invasion.

That makes them war criminals.
*WARNING: Holding your breath waiting on supporting evidence will result in serious bodily injury....*

Oh... Well then you'll have no poblem citing the statute of which the United States presently stands in violation...

I would draw your attention to the Gulf War cease fire of which Iraq was in violation of and the 30 year history wherein Iraq and their Socialist Government stood as an overt proponent of international terrorism... Also you should take some time to consider the date September 11, 2001, wherein the US was attacked by international terrorists and finally the 18 months prior to the commencement of the campaign in Iraq, within the US war on interational terrorism; which followed the attack of 9-11, wherein the US made a heroic effort to get Iraq and their Socialist government to come into compliance with their obligations under that cease fire agreement and to distance themselves from their proxies in International Islamic Terrorism...

Now excuse me wile I speak to the obective third party which may read this thread...

Friends, this person is not with us... They are proponents ofinternational terrorism and it's time we begin to discuss what must be done to silence their advocacy of mass murder.

They're the enemy... they stand on the audacity of hope and will be voting for 'Change' in the looming election... the change they seek is represented by their vacuous opinions presented here and in this case, they want to effect changes which give those plotting our destruction the advantage.

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Old 05-05-2008, 09:20 AM
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why are you writing in an accent? Do you feel saying things like "buy ya some chow" makes you feel more legitimately republican?
ROFLMNAO... It's simply the best they can do friends... they're intellectual ne’r-do-wells, which possess the low character common to that most discredited of all ideologies... the lowly leftist.
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Blaming our soldiers for carrying out their duty is pathetic. If you disagree with the war, the one to blame is the one who made the decision, not the ones who are fighting and dying because of that decision.
Bush has no power to wage war without the military. I only respect those that have fled the military. They are the true heroes.
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Yea, they can actually. There were soldiers (some that had been in the military for years and were highly decorated) that stepped down before the invasion of Iraq and plainly said, "No."

But if what you say is true, then how smart is it to give your body over to the whim of the government?
Were there? I missed that... and I like to think I'm pretty much up to speed on that.

Now can you cite an example, a name, an article from a credible source?

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Bush has no power to wage war without the military. I only respect those that have fled the military. They are the true heroes.
Without soldiers who are willing to do the job assigned to them regardless of how they feel about the particular war, we don't really have an effective deterrent for this country- at least not with a volunteer-only military.
As much as I don't like this war, I'm glad we have people who are willing to fight it.
I know it seems strange since the war itself is not a worthy cause... but their willingness to fight it is how I know we can be safe when a worthy cause comes up.
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Bush has no power to wage war without the military. I only respect those that have fled the military. They are the true heroes.
We are at diametrically different views on this.

The beauty of this quandary?

I wouldn't have it any other way, it is the backbone of our Country; our personal freedoms.

Those supporting and defending the Constitution are allowing this to occur.

Said being, our Armed Services.

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Without soldiers who are willing to do the job assigned to them regardless of how they feel about the particular war, we don't really have an effective deterrent for this country- at least not with a volunteer-only military.
As much as I don't like this war, I'm glad we have people who are willing to fight it.
I know it seems strange since the war itself is not a worthy cause... but their willingness to fight it is how I know we can be safe when a worthy cause comes up.
But after 60 plus years of no worthy causes and many lives lost to American guns and bombs the violence will never end because the American propaganda machine is strong. Most Americans wouldn't know a worthy cause because they are blinded with Nationalism. It takes real courage to drop out of the military when you know they are wrong. How many of us would feel the same way about any Nazi going awol in 1939.
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We are at diametrically different views on this.

The beauty of this quandary?

I wouldn't have it any other way, it is the backbone of our Country; our personal freedoms.

Those supporting and defending the Constitution are allowing this to occur.

Said being, our Armed Services.
Give me an example in the lat 60 years when the US actually defended themselves or their constitution? Give an example of when the US Military defended you personal freedom?
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Give me an example in the lat 60 years when the US actually defended themselves or their constitution? Give an example of when the US Military defended you personal freedom?
ROFLMNAO... Leftists...

ONLY in the depraved mind of a leftists could witness the cancer of communism and deny that the efforts in Korea and Vietnam as something other than self defense and thus defense of the US Constitution... By the same species of reasoning, they're likewise unable to recognize the valid use of US war powers in the US war against International terrorism and the campaign in Iraq within that war, post 9-11...

But hey, that's evil for ya...

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I don't agree with this person with regards to not giving a crap if the soldiers are being killed and/or wounded.

However, that being said, there is something interesting to be discussed here: The worship in our culture of the soldier. It is odd. Adds more credibility to the fact that we are a warrior nation and hold the soldier to high esteem.

And I can't say I support the troops because if I don't support the politician for sending the troops to a destination for an objective I don't agree with, I can't support the people performing the actual action of it. I know I will get heat for it, but I don't really care. People have been brought up to love the soldier know matter what and that is just wrong. I cannot support a people that willfully engage in something fundamentally incorrect and immoral.

Going back to an early discussion, a standing military is not necessary. Regular Americans could easily thwart almost any invasion. As for regular threats from rogue nations or aggressive nations, the mere fact that we could kill every man, woman and child anywhere on this Earth; well let's just say I don't think anyone would mess with us.

Terrorist attacks are a bit different. But a standing army won't thwart that either. Foreign policy changes will.

Nonetheless, back to the original intent of my post. I don't wish death upon soldiers by any means. But I also don't wish death upon innocent civilians.
Well, Not supporting the troops because you don't support the war is deplorable!!! These are mean and women who have voluntarily agreed to go into harm's way to protect your freedom. So you don't like the current mission they have been given, so what! Can you not still at least respect them for voluntarily putting themselves in harm's way for your benefit?

It is ironic to me that those who value so much their freedom to be a naysayer, do not support or respect those who actually made the sacrifices neccessary for their freedom to be a naysayer to exist!

I cannot have respect for these naysayer people, who are unwilling to put themselves in harm's way for any other human being!!!
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