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Leftist are those who want change, which is a very bad term, not simply because change usually causes the deaths of millions of people, but also because the term is not ideologically constant. Change can mean anything, such as change to a capitalist-market economy, or a Communist dictatorship. Ideological terms should be used instead, such as socialist, or utilitarian, or Communist. I would describe today's left in America as Progressive, meaning they believe in greater democracy, good government, regulation of big business, social justice, and public service.
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I would describe today's left in America as Progressive, meaning they believe in greater democracy, good government, regulation of big business, social justice, and public service.
Don't jeopradize our accomplishments with romantic blog-speak. Actually, if you set aside your assumptions long enough to study some history books or economics books, you'll find that the term "progressive" was established to describe the philosophy that rulers should confiscate property from individuals "progressively" according to the individual's material wealth or gains.

"Progressive" is the term currently used to replace "Liberal," terms used to avoid the word "socialist" due to perceived negative connotation. Use it accurately and proudly.
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The "rev" Wright said that black kids & white kids learn differently, "one learns from the left, one learns from the right"
So, I 'spose there is a difference.
Oh by all means, listen to Rev Wright. He is such a visionary about the struggles of Humanity, HAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!
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I see so much of this term "leftist". Is there something inherently wrong with being left handed or left minded, or just the left in general? Are leftists against rightists?
OH! This is an easy one...

The term Leftist refers to that which is ideological...

The Leftists is the advocate of the collective, at the expense of the individual. They are those who advocate the morally unjustified taking of the product of one man's labor to subsidize the existance of another man... They do so on the spurious rationalization that confiscating the product of one man's labor is 'necessary' and despite that there is no valid principle which can justify such theft, they declare that 'necessity trumps principle.'

They are the advocates of catastrophe, calamity and chaos; who declare that such is merely the 'unintended consequences' of that which resulted from 'good intentions.'

Leftism is the ideological vessel by which evil is transported by political means...
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Why use the term 'leftist' though? To me it sounds like having something against people who use their left more than right. I'm left handed, I probably think more with the left half of my brain, but I don't really ascribe to a 'leftist' political opinion. So since I primarily favor the left, then this makes me a 'leftist'?

Are rightists generally opposed to the left because the left is not the right? Or are the leftist opposed to the rightist because the right is not the left?

It is easy to label someone a conservative or liberal, but I hope we're not going back to people believing that left handed people are the devil haha
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Why use the term 'leftist' though? To me it sounds like having something against people who use their left more than right. I'm left handed, I probably think more with the left half of my brain, but I don't really ascribe to a 'leftist' political opinion. So since I primarily favor the left, then this makes me a 'leftist'?

Are rightists generally opposed to the left because the left is not the right? Or are the leftist opposed to the rightist because the right is not the left?

It is easy to label someone a conservative or liberal, but I hope we're not going back to people believing that left handed people are the devil haha
The term left comes from the seating arrangement in the ancien regime (before the revolution) in France. It does not refer to which side of your brain you use. In fact, people who are generally conservative use the LEFT side of their brain, while those who are generally liberal use the RIGHT side of their brain. The left side of your brain thinks logically, analytically, and linearly. The right side of your brain thinks holistically, globally, and emotionally. If anyone wants to check this, look at this wikipedia article on cerebral hemispheres.
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The Leftists is the advocate of the collective, at the expense of the individual. They are those who advocate the morally unjustified (purely PI's view) taking of the product of one man's labor to subsidize the existance of another man... They do so on the spurious rationalization that confiscating the product of one man's labor is 'necessary'................
If a right-wing extremist like PI can understand this, it sure seems like more Leftist/Liberal/Progressives could comprehend this simple truth and help us complete our mission. But, I guess it really doesn't matter as long as we still get the benefits of their votes and support.
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Leftist are those who want change, which is a very bad term, not simply because change usually causes the deaths of millions of people, but also because the term is not ideologically constant. Change can mean anything, such as change to a capitalist-market economy, or a Communist dictatorship. Ideological terms should be used instead, such as socialist, or utilitarian, or Communist. I would describe today's left in America as Progressive, meaning they believe in greater democracy, good government, regulation of big business, social justice, and public service.
Following your logic is like watching a dog chase its tail. Whats not a constant? Change! Everything in this reality is in constant change. Just as your typing suggests just after you state it idelogically not constant! that is also not correct. I held specific ideology at my first foray into politics and now that i have expanded my line of sight , my ideology is different.

So if I adhere to your example , then I guess My name would be Socialist John! i feel that Money is a myth and is only a set matrix in order to place value on an object that will only serve to the enrichment of one ; where as my way would enrich the masses or the many! Or am I a communist? A vegan maybe? No I eat meat. Im an Egg plant!
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If a right-wing extremist like PI can understand this, it sure seems like more Leftist/Liberal/Progressives could comprehend this simple truth and help us complete our mission. But, I guess it really doesn't matter as long as we still get the benefits of their votes and support.
What is your mission?
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Let me put it this way. A conservative is someone who wants to keep the socio-political status quo the same, correct? So someone can be a conservative in America if they support the (mostly) capitalist system. Some old-liner Communist in Cuba can be a conservative too, if they like the system the way it is.

The problem is that "conservative can mean contradictory things, just like "liberal"
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