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Old 05-05-2008, 11:25 AM
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What's wrong with "The war in Iraq"?
In the old days we had things like "The Korean War"... "The War in the Pacific"... or the aptly named "Vietnam War"?

Why do they have to have code names at all? Why not just descriptive names?
So you think the public somehow misses the part where Operation Iraqi Freedom involves a war in Iraq? The operation names are helpful for troop motivation etc. Nobody cares if there is some small frings group that dislikes the procedure. If it benefits the troops, it stays regardless of the endless inane philosophical discussions of the merit of the naming process.
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:46 AM
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Look at most of the conflicts we have been involved in since 1945. I'll name a few for you:

Joint Guardian (Kosovo)
Shining Hope (Kosovo)
Eagle Eye (Kosovo)
Provide Promise (Bosnia)
Shining Presence (Israel)
Vigilant Warrior (Kuwait)
Provide Hope (Former Soviet Union)
Support Justice (South America)
Nobel Response (Kenya)

I mean, how about "Operation Iraqi Freedom"?

I thought all of those you listed were "peace keeping" missions? You seem to be suggesting that those were not noble pursuits. I would have to disagree!
Operations that involve aggression do seem to have names that fit, like Desert Storm.
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What's wrong with "The war in Iraq"?
In the old days we had things like "The Korean War"... "The War in the Pacific"... or the aptly named "Vietnam War"?

Why do they have to have code names at all? Why not just descriptive names?
Here is what I am thinking (I don't consider myself strong in historical specifics, but this seems to make sense to me):

Back in those days, there were still different names for the missions the military undertook, but the names were used more exclusively amongst the military officers and troops themselves, and not as the name reported to the general public.

The public was more accepting of terminology that included the word "war" because at the time the public was more willing to understand the notion that sometimes it was not their place to judge and that they didn't understand enough of what was going on to be able to disagree with the war.
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The public was more accepting of terminology that included the word "war" because at the time the public was more willing to understand the notion that sometimes it was not their place to judge and that they didn't understand enough of what was going on to be able to disagree with the war.

Well in a republic that is about as damaging as you can get. The public needs to be in a place to judge, in order to make proper decisions on who to elect to represent us!
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These have more to do with motivating and encouraging the troops than they do with garnering popular public support. Think about it, how many of those operation names were common public knowledge prior to Desert Storm? the fact that there was a pattern evident before Desert Storm shows that these names are not aimed at the public.
They have more to do with sounding like Hollywood so the legally-retarded media can make dramatic little sit-com graphics about them so that average Americans can continue down their paths of guiltless consumerism while our lifestyles are secured by the protection of American interests abroad.

I don't want to speak for all of them, but I bet the troops draw their motivation from each other, from knowing that they are doing an impossible job incredibly well, and that the nation does support them. I highly doubt they get their motivation from some asinine name dreamed up by the media-relations ring at the Pentagon. The troops don't need cheerleaders-- the cheerleaders are for us; the people, helps us swallow what has to be done to live the way we do. No need to feel guilty, just aware. This is the way it is.

I'm with Java. Can we just call it "The War In Iraq"? Otherwise, where does it stop?

Operation Befriend Goatherd (John Ashcroft tried to censor the Oil Derrick because it was too "Sexually Explicit")
Operation Amicable Middle-Eastern Disagreement (Does this C-4 make me look fat?)
Operation Constructive Criticism (Say it with Bullets)
Operation Warm Fuzzy (It is warm where the rockets hit)
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What's wrong with "The war in Iraq"?
That's usually how it's referred to when I hear people in the media talking or people posting on this form.

That or, 'The Iraq War'. Congress even called it that in their aptly named: 'Iraq War Resolution'.

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Personally, I'd like to see better names like:

'Operation Kill as many of those islamo(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bastards as possible'


Or


Operation Shoot them all in the head'

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I don't care who they are aimed at.

They are downplaying the situation. Saying, "Look we are doing something noble."

Government is contradictory. In some instances, they play up the fear card like nobody else can. In other instances, they are like mommies to two year olds trying to downplay instances that are cause for alarm (like the economy).

Kind of like how half the commercials on television are weight loss commercials and the other half are fast food commercials.
Fallujah~ Operation Phantom Fury
Baghdad~ Operation Spartan Scorpion
Thawra~ Operation Scorpion Sting
Baghdad (again)~ Operation Iron Bullet
Bayji and Samarra ~ Operation Ivy Serpent
Baghdad (again)~ Operation Ivy Needle
Northern Iraq~ Operation Eagle Curtain
Counterinsurgency~ Operation All American Tiger
Al Qaim~ Operation Rifles Blitz
Euphrates river (East)~ Operation Pit Bull

I could continue if you'd like. This is all a matter of public record. You should know this stuff right? Aren't you the expert on the Iraq War?

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What's wrong with "The war in Iraq"?
In the old days we had things like "The Korean War"... "The War in the Pacific"... or the aptly named "Vietnam War"?

Why do they have to have code names at all? Why not just descriptive names?
You couldnt have made his point any better if you tried. I especially love the fact you picked the best ones! right on!
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Would you prefer:

"Operation annihiliation"
"Operation bloody streets"
"Operation decapitation"

It is hilarious to me that those who decry the noble names would be appalled if we used more brutal names and would complain about our barbarism!
I didn't hear anyone decry the Sanitized names given to conflicts, wars, incursions, occupation, ect. I did see someone post a quotation from Carl sagan; You know the literary genius and ponder on how right he was. With this knowledge and another vantage point to consider , many people will see things a little differently then maybe 5-10 seconds ago. Maybe!
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