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Many accuse Bush of trying to institute a theocracy. However, this is not true. A theocracy is a government controlled by religious leaders that forces religion upon its citizens. The dangers of theocracy are that the government often kills or tortures innocents in order to convert them in matters of faith.

However, what Bush wants is a more strict morality for America. How is an America in which people are better behaved bad?
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Many accuse Bush of trying to institute a theocracy. However, this is not true. A theocracy is a government controlled by religious leaders that forces religion upon its citizens. The dangers of theocracy are that the government often kills or tortures innocents in order to convert them in matters of faith.

However, what Bush wants is a more strict morality for America. How is an America in which people are better behaved bad?

Agreed! In fact I'll stick my neck out a bit and declare that a good example of Theocracy are Muslim nations......
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However, what Bush wants is a more strict morality for America. How is an America in which people are better behaved bad?
What you are overlooking is that people can reasonably differ on what constitutes morality.

I can say that gays should have the right to marry, you can say they don't. I can't see ever coming to an agreement on the issue on the basis of morality. Same with drugs, abortion, and more. Religious answers suit only those who agree with the premises.

The behavior of people is a matter for their conscience. Only when they transgress someone's rights does it become a matter for law. I do not have to buy into someone else's idea of what "better behaved" means
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True, however there are many morals upon which we universally agree.
What liberals do, though, is invent false accusations against Bush (ie, the theocracy) to manipulate opinion against him.
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True, however there are many morals upon which we universally agree.
What liberals do, though, is invent false accusations against Bush (ie, the theocracy) to manipulate opinion against him.

Yep.....it's understood that anger can be power in the mass media. America is fed intravenously every night through their 53'' HDTV's....all you have to do is add the 'drug'.....
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However, what Bush wants is a more strict morality for America. How is an America in which people are better behaved bad?
What you are overlooking is that people can reasonably differ on what constitutes morality.

I can say that gays should have the right to marry, you can say they don't. I can't see ever coming to an agreement on the issue on the basis of morality. Same with drugs, abortion, and more. Religious answers suit only those who agree with the premises.

The behavior of people is a matter for their conscience. Only when they transgress someone's rights does it become a matter for law. I do not have to buy into someone else's idea of what "better behaved" means
You most certainly do have the right to believe however you want with respect to reality. But the truth is that regardless of what you believe.... behavior reaps consequences. Gay marriage=an oxymoron. That word "marriage" means a legally recognized union between a man and a woman. So there can never be gay marriage. Gay unions..but not gay marriage. Back to behavior......when you have an abortion there are consequences. When you think that it's ok to experiment with drugs and then proceed to do so...there are consequences. When you believe that there doesn't need to be marriage or monogamy..there are going to be consequences. Society as a whole will have to deal with the consequences of these behaviors. We have to stand back and ask ourselves.... HOW IS THIS WORKING FOR US? if we're gonna be honest we have to admit that it isn't. We have managed to attain what we call our "god given right to happiness" now that we have it.....look at the results. Look at the world that we live in and how people are behaving and treating each other. Then come go ahead and continue to NOT buy into morality. This world will always have problems it will always be fallen and screwed up. But we don't have to help the process along. The least we could do is recognize the fact that, all religion aside, there are basic behaviours that, if followed, will bring about less crime and other detrimental behavior and help to promote and create stronger family structures.

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However, what Bush wants is a more strict morality for America. How is an America in which people are better behaved bad?
What you are overlooking is that people can reasonably differ on what constitutes morality.

I can say that gays should have the right to marry, you can say they don't. I can't see ever coming to an agreement on the issue on the basis of morality. Same with drugs, abortion, and more. Religious answers suit only those who agree with the premises.

The behavior of people is a matter for their conscience. Only when they transgress someone's rights does it become a matter for law. I do not have to buy into someone else's idea of what "better behaved" means
You most certainly do have the right to believe however you want with respect to reality. But the truth is that regardless of what you believe.... behavior reaps consequences. Gay marriage=an oxymoron. That word "marriage" means a legally recognized union between a man and a woman. So there can never be gay marriage. Gay unions..but not gay marriage. Back to behavior......when you have an abortion there are consequences. When you think that it's ok to experiment with drugs and then proceed to do so...there are consequences. When you believe that there doesn't need to be marriage or monogamy..there are going to be consequences. Society as a whole will have to deal with the consequences of these behaviors. We have to stand back and ask ourselves.... HOW IS THIS WORKING FOR US? if we're gonna be honest we have to admit that it isn't. We have managed to attain what we call our "god given right to happiness" now that we have it.....look at the results. Look at the world that we live in and how people are behaving and treating each other. Then come go ahead and continue to NOT buy into morality. This world will always have problems it will always be fallen and screwed up. But we don't have to help the process along. The least we could do is recognize the fact that, all religion aside, there are basic behaviours that, if followed, will bring about less crime,death and stronger family structures. So uhh..yeah. whatever.

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True, however there are many morals upon which we universally agree.
Name some, please. (I am not disagreeing, but I would like to hear what you say they are.)

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What liberals do, though, is invent false accusations against Bush (ie, the theocracy) to manipulate opinion against him.
And the Republicans don't demonize the Dems?

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You most certainly do have the right to believe however you want with respect to reality. But the truth is that regardless of what you believe.... behavior reaps consequences.
Of course behavior has consequences.

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Gay marriage=an oxymoron. That word "marriage" means a legally recognized union between a man and a woman. So there can never be gay marriage. Gay unions..but not gay marriage.
Fair enough, then we need a new word. Because it is in society's interest to have stable unions.

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Back to behavior......when you have an abortion there are consequences. When you think that it's ok to experiment with drugs and then proceed to do so...there are consequences. When you believe that there doesn't need to be marriage or monogamy..there are going to be consequences. Society as a whole will have to deal with the consequences of these behaviors. We have to stand back and ask ourselves.... HOW IS THIS WORKING FOR US? if we're gonna be honest we have to admit that it isn't. We have managed to attain what we call our "god given right to happiness" now that we have it.....look at the results. Look at the world that we live in and how people are behaving and treating each other. Then come go ahead and continue to NOT buy into morality. This world will always have problems it will always be fallen and screwed up. But we don't have to help the process along. The least we could do is recognize the fact that, all religion aside, there are basic behaviours that, if followed, will bring about less crime,death and stronger family structures. So uhh..yeah. whatever.
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You have every right to view the world through your lens. I don't even disagree with a lot of what you say. But I decide what is right for me, and reap the consequences of my actions, good or bad. As long as my actions don't interfere with your rights, then I should be left in peace.If I get an abortion, smoke a joint, join in a same sex union doesn't affect you. I pursue happiness in my own way.
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