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noun 1 an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government. 2 extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
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7 (often the Right) treated as sing. or pl. a group or political party favouring conservative views.
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"religion isnt unique to conservatives."

do you know what the above statement means? there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.
You are incorrect, per google the phrase mostly unique comes up with over 3 million hits making the use of the phrase not so unique. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
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fascism is right wing.
We've successfully used that accusation for a while. But it's hard to stick with that tactic when Nazi fascists were extreme leftist socialists who kept the masses onboard with their centrally directed mandates against individual liberty and capitalism.

My group is committed to removing the facade we socialists have had to hide behind in order to move our agenda forward. Words like "fascism" as well as "communism," "totalitarian." and even "socialism" need not be avoided any longer from our dialogue. We've essentially won the battle for "hearts and minds" and need only finish the last few changes necessary to achieve our long journey to a truely progressive state.

Isn't it exciting? Change is on the horizon. This November may be the most important election since FDR's first victory. Stand proud and without fear.
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Yes, we are all aware that leftist embarrassment over their inherent claim to fascism has even made its way to the fascist libs who write dictionaries. No surprise there.

I have seen may libs deny being communists, as well.


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I did say that you should define the terms you use. However, you must also back these up. You cannot blindly accept a dictionary definition. If you want to use this definition, you must take the words that define it and go back to the roots of where it came from to find the meaning of the word. Use first-hand evidence to support you assertions, and then argue them in an analytical and logical manner.

Also, you can define Communism as fascistic under your argument. Whether you want to call that side of the spectrum "right" or "left" does not really matter.
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lol. im not one to argue with dictionaries. but hey, if thats your journey, feel free.
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"religion isnt unique to conservatives."

do you know what the above statement means? there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.
You are incorrect, per google the phrase mostly unique comes up with over 3 million hits making the use of the phrase not so unique. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
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Well, for one the key tenet of fascism is class collaboration, where all classes of society work together under 'the State'. Marxist class struggle, on the other hand, is the complete antithesis of this, formulating that the class interests of the capitalists and worker's are irreconcilable and can only be solved by revolution and the worker's taking over the State. The State then, for the Marxist, is only ever a tool of class rule, in this case a ruling working class.
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Fascism

Fascism is right-wing, fiercely nationalist, subjectivist in philosophy, and totalitarian in practice. It is an extreme reactionary form of capitalist government. Fascism began in Italy (1922-43), Germany (1933-45), Spain (1939-75), and various other nations, starting generally in the time between the first and second world war. The origin of the term comes from the Italian word fascismo, derived from the Latin fasces (a bundle of elm or birch rods containing an ax: once a symbol of authority in ancient Rome). Benito Mussolini adopted the symbol as the emblem of the Italian Fascist movement in 1919.

The social composition of Fascist movements have historically been small capitalists, low-level bureaucrats of all stripes (see petty bourgeois), with great success in rural areas, especially among farmers, peasants, and in the city, slum workers. Meanwhile, fascist leadership invariably comes to power through the sponsorship and funding of massive capitalists, without needing a revolution. These capitalists along with the top-tier leaders they create become fascism's ruling aristocracy.

Fascism has many different forms: the Italian fascism of Mussolini was often against Hitler’s Fascism, calling it “one hundred percent racism: Against everything and everyone: Yesterday against Christian civilization, today against Latin civilization, tomorrow, who knows, against the civilization of the whole world.” When Hitler began achieving impressive military conquests, which Mussolini had started in Ethiopia in 1935, the two formed an axis of power in June of 1940. The birth of fascism in Germany was aided by Western governments, who for two decades viewed it as the ideology that would successfully crush the Soviet Union. Not until Germany’s tanks were on the borders of England and France did those governments ‘switch’ sides: now it was their imperialist domination being threatened.

While Mussolini had once been a member of the Socialist party (banished from the party for his rampant support of World War I), Hitler fought leftists from the first. Thus it is not without irony, that in the name for his party Hitler used “socialist,” (Nazi = National Socialist) conceding to the ingrained consciousness the German masses had for leftist ideals. It should be noted that fascism supported the community ideal, but not the grass-roots power of direct community democracy as Socialism demands, but the obedience and unity of the community to vanguard of the Nation. Further, orthodox fascism constantly parrots the Communist lexicon of working class struggle, etc, for reasons of populism. Neo-fascism, on the other hand, disdains any trace of Socialist/Communist terminology in their labels, and instead appeals to new populist roots: the modern aspirations of many workers to be wealthy, to be stronger than others, etc.

Fascism championed corporate economics, which operated on an anarcho-syndicalist model in reverse: associations of bosses in particular industries determine working conditions, prices, etc. In this form of corporatism, bosses dictate everything from working hours to minimum wages, without government interference. The fascist corporate model differs from the more moderate corporatist model by eradicating all forms of regulatory control that protect workers (so-called "consumers"), the environment, price fixing, insider trading, and destroying all independent workers' organizations. In fascism, the corporate parliament either replaces the representative bodies of government or reduces them to a sham and the state freely intervenes in the activity of companies, either by bestowing favoritism, or handing them over to the control of rivals.

“to believe, to obey, to combat”

There are several fundamental characteristics of fascism, among them are:

1. Right Wing: Fascists are fervently against: Marxism, Socialism, Anarchism, Communism, Environmentalism; etc – in essence, they are against the progressive left in total, including moderate lefts (social democrats, etc). Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology, though it can be opportunistic.

2. Nationalism: Fascism places a very strong emphasis on patriotism and nationalism. Criticism of the nation's main ideals, especially war, is lambasted as unpatriotic at best, and treason at worst. State propaganda consistently broadcasts threats of attack, while justifying pre-emptive war. Fascism invariably seeks to instill in its people the warrior mentality: to always be vigilant, wary of strangers and suspicious of foreigners.

3. Hierarchy: Fascist society is ruled by an righteous leader, who is supported by an elite secret vanguard of capitalists. Hierarchy is prevalent throughout all aspects of society – every street, every workplace, every school, will have its local Hitler, part police-informer, part bureaucrat – and society is prepared for war at all times. The absolute power of the social hierarchy prevails over everything, and thus a totalitarian society is formed. Representative government is acceptable only if it can be controlled and regulated, direct democracy (e.g. Communism) is the greatest of all crimes. Any who oppose the social hierarchy of fascism will be imprisoned or executed.

4. Anti-equality: Fascism loathes the principles of economic equality and disdains equality between immigrant and citizen. Some forms of fascism extend the fight against equality into other areas: gender, sexual, minority or religious rights, for example.

5. Religious: Fascism contains a strong amount of reactionary religious beliefs, harking back to times when religion was strict, potent, and pure. Nearly all Fascist societies are Christian, and are supported by Catholic and Protestant churches.

6. Capitalist: Fascism does not require revolution to exist in capitalist society: fascists can be elected into office (though their disdain for elections usually means manipulation of the electoral system). They view parliamentary and congressional systems of government to be inefficient and weak, and will do their best to minimize its power over their policy agenda. Fascism exhibits the worst kind of capitalism where corporate power is absolute, and all vestiges of workers' rights are destroyed.

7. War: Fascism is capitalism at the stage of impotent imperialism. War can create markets that would not otherwise exist by wrecking massive devastation on a society, which then requires reconstruction! Fascism can thus "liberate" the survivors, provide huge loans to that society so fascist corporations can begin the process of rebuilding.

8. Voluntarism Ideology: Fascism adopts a certain kind of “voluntarism;” they believe that an act of will, if sufficiently powerful, can make something true. Thus all sorts of ideas about racial inferiority, historical destiny, even physical science, are supported by means of violence, in the belief that they can be made true. It is this sense that Fascism is subjectivist.

9. Anti-Modern: Fascism loathes all kinds of modernism, especially creativity in the arts, whether acting as a mirror for life (where it does not conform to the Fascist ideal), or expressing deviant or innovative points of view. Fascism invariably burns books and victimizes artists, and artists which do not promote the fascists ideals are seen as “decadent.” Fascism is hostile to broad learning and interest in other cultures, since such pursuits threaten the dominance of fascist myths. The peddling of conspiracy theories is usually substituted for the objective study of history.


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lol. im not one to argue with dictionaries. but hey, if thats your journey, feel free.
That's funny, my dictionary says "a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism." (The Random House Dictionary of the English Language: The Unabridged Edition)

Show me how Communism does not fit EVERY SINGLE PART of this definition.


The belief of fascism that says the classes should work together is based on the idea that they are all the same nation. Marxism recognizes no nations, and only class. This is simply a different view of the only difference between the two, the fact that fascism is national socialism and that Communism is international socialism.
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Fascism is National Socialism essentially. It promised a return to the Roman empire for Italy. It agreed on Social Darwinism. These are very outdated notions, even to a classical liberal like you.

It's good to know that some people really know what Liberal means
The meaning of the word liberal is hardly a puzzler... the only thing that makes it seem so, is that so many leftists desire to hijack the word, which any objective analysis, those in the US who best represent the meaning of the word: Advocate of liberty; is the US Conservative.

But we're loathe to argue it, as the word has been so discredited by the left, that to rejuvenate it, seems an impossibility. Sorta like breathing life back into a corpse which succumbed to Ebola.

There are fewer words in the scope of language that better defines the US left than 'Fascism.' It truly bespeaks the nature, essence and scope of everything the left stands for...
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Fascism is right-wing ...
False... Period.

This depite your copy and paste job from the "WE-B-Idiots" radical leftist website... citing the mythical Dr. Lawrence Britt and his now infamous 'study of the 14 fundamental traits of fascism...'

In fact, it's a study of radical leftist historial revision in the post internet period where ficticious academics can be cited by hundreds of thousands of web sites, despite no such person existing anywhere on earth...

You've been lied to boy... and yes it makes you look VERY FOOLISH!

The simple fact is and if you like you're invited to refute it, at least to the degree that your intellectual limitations prohibit... THERE IS NOT A SIGLE RIGHT WING TRAIT< WHICH THE FASCIST IN ANY OF THEIR VARIOUS CONFIGURATIONS, EXEMPLIFIED...

Now in case you missed it; that was a direct challenge to you and the rest of the fascists, to post a single valid example wherein a fascist exemplifies a purely RIGHT WING trait...

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