Fascism is just capitalist dictatorship at extreme end of the scale, depending on the current intensity of the class struggles. So right now the current capitalist states use their fake 'civil rights', 'morality' and 'human rights' to placate the oppressed workers'. But when fascism was big, back in the Depression - people were driven by economic desperation and the failure of capitalism to the liberation of Communism, so because workers' movements were so powerful back then the elite of capitalists CREATED fascism to combat the worker's and ensure capitalism would survive. This was done by the fascist regimes of Europe utilizing the most brutal forms of state repression and violence to destroy worker's rights', doing things even the 'democratic' capitalist states abhorred.

This sums up to fascism merely being 'Socialist Lite.' Which is, as it happens, the working definition of the US Independent, moderate, centrist, secular progressive... IE: Liberals...

1. Fascists are anti-Marxist, anti-Communist, and anti-anarchists. They reject Marxism/Communism because they compete for the same radical/revolutionary basis of support in society. Obviously they are anti-anarchist because that goes against everything that they believe in. However, they WERE PROGRESSIVE, they WERE SOCIALIST, and to a lesser extent, WERE ENVIRONMENTALIST

And I can prove every one.

1.) a statement made by Nazi ideologist, Gregor Strasser, "We are socialists. We are enemies, deadly enemies, of today's capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, its unfair wage system, its immoral way of judging the worth of human beings in terms of their wealth and their money, instead of their responsibility and their performance, and we are determined to destroy this system whatever happens."

I think that proves that they were both socialist and progressive.

2.) Nazism was born of the Romantic movement, which emphasized a return to nature. Nazism included fighting air pollution, creating nature preserves, and pushing for a sustainable forestry central planks in their platform.

2. Fascism was nationalistic, as Communism was later under Stalin, but this was the one way in which it differed from Marxism.

3. Fascism believed that hierarchical distinctions did not matter. The only things that mattered were race and blood. While it was hierarchical in practice, it would be hard not to be, as the Communists discovered (members of the party, non-members)

4. Equality for all the German Volk.

5. This is a ridiculous myth. Hitler wanted the people to worship the state, and they could not worship religion and the state at the same time. He wanted Christianity to die a slow death so that its upheaval would not be noticed.

You also make the claim that religion is a movement of the right, while it is inherent in both sides. (Ever heard of a Christian Socialist?)

6. See Quote in #1, fascism is CORPORATIST, not capitalist. One of the reasons why Hitler hated the Jews was because he saw them as CAPITALISTS. (Think about the Jewish stereotype, the bankers, the usurers, the rich people.)

7. How is world revolution not war?

8. This is a leftist idea. Pure, plain, and simple

9. Ever heard of FUTURISM? The artistic movement that gave the fascist movement in Italy support from the artistic community.

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Capitalist? Really?? Are you sure???


Don't you find it odd that a 'capitalist' dictator would nationalize the means of production? Wouldn't that drive the engine of capitalism directly onto the rocks?

Now how exactly are you defining capitalism?

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The attempt to try and paint fascism as a Marxist revision is politically opportunist and base partisanism at it's worst.


Such a conception of life makes Fascism the resolute negation of the doctrine underlying so-called scientific and Marxian socialism - Benito Mussolini, Doctrine of Fascism.

Please tell my all the differences between Communism and Fascism that you can think of.

Edit: Like you are going to change YOUR mind.

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The White Fox Uncertainty Principle states that:
You can never know the position of a liberal and the logic behind it at the same time,
because the closer you get to finding one, the more unknown the other one becomes.

Name one fascist who nationalized anything? You can't because none of them ever did, they created capitalism and private property just as sacrosanct as before. Hitler for example only ever nationalized the property of Jews, as Mussolini did. Mussolini in his late days of the RSI made overtures to his Communist partisan opponents that he wanted to nationalize property, he never did and they never brought it- which is why it was Communists who shot Mussolini.

Fascism is extreme measures, yes, but it's only extreme measures to preserve capitalism when it is in such danger from worker's liberation movements, as it was during the Great Depression etc.

You obviously know absolutely nothing about fascism.

Name one industry that they DID NOT nationalize.

Edit: Nazi Party Platform, Plank 13: We demand the nationalization of all associated industries.
Plank 15: We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare
Plank 20: The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program.
Plank 21: The State is to care for the elevating national health by protection the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness...

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The White Fox Uncertainty Principle states that:
You can never know the position of a liberal and the logic behind it at the same time,
because the closer you get to finding one, the more unknown the other one becomes.

andaras, the exchange is entertaining, but what can you accomplish by arguing with dictionary deniers? for all we know they arent even sure what their own arguments are -- theyre made up of words. liberals, apparently, have a monopoly on the english language.

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Show me why MY DICTIONARY definition does not fit both fascism and Communism.

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The White Fox Uncertainty Principle states that:
You can never know the position of a liberal and the logic behind it at the same time,
because the closer you get to finding one, the more unknown the other one becomes.