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Originally Posted by Wildbore
Umm.... Nope. Fascism is right-wing.
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Wrong, and I will prove it.
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Fascism does not believe in economic equality or fairness.
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Some highlights from the Italian Fascist program
- Repeal of titles of nobility
- A minimum wage
- End of the draft.
- Forcing landowners to cultivate their lands or have them expropriated .
- A large progressive tax on capital that would amount to a one-time partial expropriation of all riches.
That seems pretty economically fair and equal to me.
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It does not believe in welfare, and it is anti-union.
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Some more
- The creation of various government bodies run by the workers.
- Reform of the old-age and pension system and the establishment of age limits for hazardous work.
- The nationalization of all arms and explosives industries.
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Completely opposite to what the left-wing believes.
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So the left wing believes in small government and life, liberty, and property rights for all citizens? That appears to be what the opposite of a fascist dictatorship would be to me.
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Fascism also believes in a moral basis to the state.
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Morality in the Nietzscheian sense is not morality, it is simply the "will to power" nonsense and what not.
Fascism requires unswerving loyalty to the state. Anything that gives connections between people and not to the state is bad, and must go. Families were ripped apart by the Hitler Youth movement when parents could not talk freely in their own homes because their loyal children would turn them in. Sounds like a big emphasis on the family to me, as a tool of the state maybe.
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a strong role for religion,
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Once again, fascism requires unswerving loyalty to the state. Any other institutions that take away loyalty from the state are bad, and must go. However, the pragmatic decision made by Mussolini and Hitler was to use religion as a tool to subjugate people to the state, while reducing and ultimately destroying religion. Hitler used an analogy about how he would destroy Christianity. He would do it like railroad bridges were replaced. You would add a new bolt here and there, and replace old beams with new ones. Eventually you would have an entirely new structure and no one would notice.
The values fascism held were those of ancient Rome for the Italians and German paganist Teutonic traditions for Germany. They despised the traditional values of capitalist, bourgeois society and sought to overthrow these values. You could say that Communism supports the traditional values held in prehistoric times where all property in a tribe or family was communal, but it wouldn't make any sense.
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Again, very inconsistent with left-wing beliefs.
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Define "left wing" for me.
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Fascism also glorifies the state.
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Yes it does, but is that right wing? I seem to recall the most liberal president of all time also glorifying the state. FDR was probably the most nationalistic president of all time. He also wanted to use nationalism as a force for good in the country, the same as the fascists. I wonder which party looks to FDR to get all of its values. Hmmmm....
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It believes that the home state is superior to all other states. This is an extremely right-wing stance, and has lead to rampant militarism and imperialism in fascist states.
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Fascism is nationalist socialism. Its nationalist aspect does include the logic that the home state is superior to all other states. This is a trait inherent to right and left, and is not exclusively right wing. The French Revolution was a nationalist movement. If you ever hear anyone say the French Revolution was right wing, I suggest you back away slowly because they are probably a psychopath. It lead to rampant militarism and imperialism as the new nationalist French soldiers desired to spread their revolutionary ideals to the rest of Europe. Eventually Napoleon came to the spotlight and continued this.
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The left-wing believes that no state is better than another, and emphasizes cooperation between states rather than competition.
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Marxism believes that no state is better than another. The Fascists are national socialists and they support "war socialism" or "socialism of the trenches, not of the factories." Both Hitler and Mussolini realized that class consciousness would not lead to a socialist revolution, you needed to use the nationalism of people's to accomplish that. Wilson in the US used this policy during WWI, and then FDR ran on a platform of bringing it back. Today's liberals have a strong Marxist influence, but Marxists are the only ones who can call fascism right wing.
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Its a joke to say that fascism is left-wing, since it is clear that the main principles of the ideology have right-wing qualities.
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The only right wing qualities that I am aware of were laid out by Locke, Burke, and Smith.
Locke held that every human being was entitled to the natural rights of life, liberty, and property. Fascism did not respect the rights of people to life. Fascism did not respect the rights of people to liberty. Fascism did not respect the rights of people to property.
Burke held that revolutions were bad and that the established order was the best and that violence was wrong. Fascism was a revolutionary movement. Fascism was an overthrow of the established order. Fascism was a very violent movement.
Smith held that the free market was the greatest economic system available to society and that the government's only purposes in economics were to protect the country from foreign invasion and to prevent the formation of monopolies. Fascism was an aggressive movement. Fascism was anti-Capitalist. Fascism desired the formation of state run monopolies headed by the laborers.
If you have a different definition of right-wing, then please share.
05-09-2008, 05:48 PM
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