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Sorry to let you in on the secret but there are Millions of people within the United States that can’t survive without the help of government.
No there are some of those millions that can not make it without a check, and millions that do not want to get a job.
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If your an able bodied human being and you can't survive without the government, maybe you not surviving is in all of our best interests.
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exactly! Look; the program is filled with interviews with Democrats and Republicans. If you cant take the word of the pricipals involved , then you never will . Oh by the Way J.E.T.S. Dont be hatin!
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Ah! We're interfering with "survival of the fittest." We're corrupting our gene pool. Let the strong will themselves to power of those less fitting.

No. I might be a conservative but I am not a social Darwinist. It is the responsibility of the government not to force people to support other people who wouldn't survive without the government. It is the moral responsibility of those self-sufficient people to help those in need, by no one should force them to do so.
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You puzzle me! You state things from time to time, which make total sense. Then you rip out this nonsense that is opinion displayed as fact. Government is an 800 pound gorilla in the room and he wants bananas. Government can’t be shrunk without leaving scores of people out in the cold. That’s not about to happen Democrat or Republican. Sorry to let you in on the secret but there are Millions of people within the United States that can’t survive without the help of government. Is this the fault of millions of lazy people who want to collect a welfare check or hard working Americans that cannot make ends meat because their job is in India now! I personally do not have the true answer to my own question. Neither do you! If you understand the inherent nature of Government's then you would understand that it cannot be downsized! If you have a suggestion for shrinking Government, then out with it. Can we deport Americans?
I think that the people who collect that are not truly needy steal from not only you and I but from the the deserving IE Mentally handicapped ,the elderly and school children, I also can not believe we would support people who come here illegally .
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Government can’t be shrunk without leaving scores of people out in the cold.
Tough breaks. They should do more for themselves, shouldn't they?

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Sorry to let you in on the secret but there are Millions of people within the United States that can’t survive without the help of government.
The world can't have "winners" without "losers," can't it? Again, this falls under the "T.F.B." rule.

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Sure.

1. End (or severely restrict) many welfare benefits.
People are adaptive creatures. They'll figure it out. Maybe after a while, they'll go back to doing those jobs that "Americans don't want to do." If they don't, then they have the freedom to live on the streets.

2. Pass the FairTax system, and downsize the I.R.S. by 90%

3. Force 100% of all pork projects to go before voting legislators.

4. Privatization of more federally-controlled land.
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2. Pass the FairTax system, and downsize the I.R.S. by 90%
Let's go 100%, and end the IRS's blight on America.
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The world can't have "winners" without "losers," can't it? Again, this falls under the "T.F.B." rule.


Sure.

1. End (or severely restrict) many welfare benefits.
People are adaptive creatures. They'll figure it out. Maybe after a while, they'll go back to doing those jobs that "Americans don't want to do." If they don't, then they have the freedom to live on the streets.

2. Pass the FairTax system, and downsize the I.R.S. by 90%

3. Force 100% of all pork projects to go before voting legislators.

4. Privatization of more federally-controlled land.
I agree but corporate welfare and farm subsidies must go too.
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I agree but corporate welfare and farm subsidies must go too.
That's just a form of welfare. Of course the free market can't decide what it's worth to spend money on, the government has to decide instead.
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Tough breaks. They should do more for themselves, shouldn't they?


The world can't have "winners" without "losers," can't it? Again, this falls under the "T.F.B." rule.


Sure.

1. End (or severely restrict) many welfare benefits.
People are adaptive creatures. They'll figure it out. Maybe after a while, they'll go back to doing those jobs that "Americans don't want to do." If they don't, then they have the freedom to live on the streets. I can agree that the Welfare system does need to be policed more strickly , but there are people within that sytem that truly need the assistance.

2. Pass the FairTax system, and downsize the I.R.S. by 90% Yes sir , to your first point! The elimination of the I.R.S. would lead to many hiding earnings thus nullifying a fair tax system!

3. Force 100% of all pork projects to go before voting legislators.Some earnest projects get broad stroked as "Pork Barrel" A review would be the right thing to do, but also make it an illegal to slip these things in during the middle of the night or in versions that haven’t been reviewed.

4. Privatization of more federally-controlled land.
Maybe , but for industrialzation and economic growth prodjects. ( Ie more jobs,revenue)
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