Yeah but it was not french Canada so I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

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Hey, your talking to a Yankee, not some
puked up socialist brat that won't do
anything to solve world problems, just
complain about the methods used to
do something your not willing to do.

and over exaggerate it too.



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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

You are wrong about Iran, Mosaddeq was democratically elected and we helped overthrow him and replaced him with a pro-west dictator.

I am in the middle between Mas and tuatara. I know that america has done bad things in the world(unlike mas who seems believes america is almost always right), but I also think that america has done a great deal of good in the world(unlike tuatara who seems to think america is evil). It is both naive and damaging to this country to ignore either side of this equation. We need to recognize our faults in order to fix them, but also recognize the good we do so we can continue doing that!

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R.I.P. Molly, I miss you every day!!

Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this?


And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. Thomas Jefferson

Agreed. We are not the evil monster portrayed by many. But we've done plenty of bad things. We are also not the beacon of morality and virtue that some who choose to ignore facts like to claim. But we have done good. Like with most things, it's not black and white. It's gray. Both sides have plenty of ammunition.

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I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.

Yeah, I agree with you on this. Bad acts do not automatically negate all the good we've done but at the same time the good acts do not negate all the bad.
Each action stands on its own and is subject to judgement... and hopefully to be learned from (although preferably not in an overgeneralizing way- repeating "things that worked" or avoiding "things that didn't" is usually overly simplistic policy).

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That information is classified and to be given only on a need-to-know basis...

And I do not need to know.

Where did you dig up this fairy tale? how about a valid source?

I'll concede to this point.

America has made some of the greatest acheivments mankind has ever seen.

But on the other hand, America has participated in a lot of bad crap that most people choose to not accept as fact or simply ignore all together and regard the US as infallible with their doctrine of nationalism.

The first part about Russia and Britain ousting the leader Reza shah Pahlavi.
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ht/11/wai/ht11wai.htm

1949 Iran became a constitutional monarchy

Mohammad Reza shah Pahlavi placed in power by Britain and the USSR in 1941 was the leader of the country. The Prime Minister was an elected position that did not run the country. He tried to overthrow the Shah and was taken out by Iranian and American forces. Also if you look at Wikipedia for a list For a list of Kings of Persia or Iranian Leaders Muhammad Musaddiq is not listed because he was not a leader he was a prime minister that worked for the leader.
http://www.zum.de/whkmla/region/cent...n19451953.html
http://www.desert-voice.net/iran_history.htm
http://www.bartleby.com/67/3816.html

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Liberals believe it is okay to kill babies, but not terrorists.

democrats believe it is okay to taser a 10 year old if this stance will get their guy elected.

Source: The New York Times, Editorial

August 15, 1953

The world has so many trouble spots these days that one is apt to pass over the odd one here and there to preserve a little peace of mind. It would be well, however, to keep an eye, on Iran, where matters are going from bad to worse, thanks to the machinations of Premier Mossadegh.

Some of us used to ascribe our inability to persuade Dr. Mossadegh of the validity of our ideas to the impossibility of making him understand or see things our way. We thought of him as a sincere, well-meaning, patriotic Iranian, who had a different point of view and made different deductions from the same set of facts. We now know that he is a power-hungry, personally ambitious, ruthless demagogue who is trampling upon the liberties of his own people. We have seen this onetime chamption of liberty maintain martial law, curb freedom of the press, radio, speech and assembly, resort to illegal arrests and torture, dismiss the Senate, destroy the power of the Shah, take over control of the army, and now he is about to destroy the Majlis, which is the lower house of Parliament.

His power would seem to be complete, but he has alientated the traditional ruling classes — the aristocrats, landlords, financiers and tribal leaders. These elements are anti-Communist. So is the Shah and so are the army leaders and the urban middle classes. There is a traditional, historic fear, suspicion and dislike of Russian and the Russians. The peasants, who make up the overwhelming mass of the population, are illiterate and nonpolitical. Finally, there is still no evidence that the Tudeh (Communist) party is strong enough or well enough organized, financed and led to take power.

All this simply means that there is no immediate danger of a Communist coup or Russian intervention. On the other hand, Dr. Mossadegh is encouraging the Tudeh and is following policies which will make the Communists more and more dangerous. He is a sorcerer’s apprentice, calling up forces he will not be able to control.

Iran is a weak, divided, poverty-stricken country which possesses an immense latent wealth in oil and a crucial strategic position. This is very different from neighboring Turkey, a strong, united, determined and advanced nation, which can afford to deal with the Russians because she has nothing to fear — and there the West has nothing to fear. Thanks largely to Dr. Mossadegh, there is much to fear in Iran.

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He was a scourge to his people.
US was worried about communism.
UK was furious over oil nationalization.

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How about you study your world history. This is common knowledge.

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The difference between a Socialist and a Communist is that the Socialist doesn't have all the guns yet.