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No, he had powers given to him by parliament! What you are saying is like saying that queen elizabeth II is the ruler of great britain, while this is technically true, she has no power. The shah had more power, but mosaddeq was the head of the iranian government!
Sorry the Shah in Iran runs the show and has run the show forever, mosaddeq was a tool of the Shah until he grew to big for his britches.
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Can you post a link that proves this?
Yes I can. From declassified US documents. The only problem is you have about a few thousand pages to go through, all of them being incredibly long.

Let's start with Cuba first:
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/01_15.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/16_30.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/31_45.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/46_60.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/61_75.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/76_90.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...sX/91_105.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/106_120.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/121_135.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/136_150.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/151_165.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/166_175.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/176_180.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/181_195.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/196_200.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/201_209.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/210_215.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/216_225.html

...many more

This is only half the documents for Cuba 1961-1962. I could post Cuba's document's as well but I feel you won't accept them, even though they reaffirm the US ones. What you are asking for are literally thousands of pages of documentation. It's out there.

For the information surrounding Iran in 1951-53 read here. With documents.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/index.htm
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Yes I can. From declassified US documents. The only problem is you have about a few thousand pages to go through, all of them being incredibly long.

Let's start with Cuba first:
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/01_15.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/16_30.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/31_45.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/46_60.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/61_75.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/76_90.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...sX/91_105.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/106_120.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/121_135.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/136_150.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/151_165.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/166_175.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/176_180.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/181_195.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/196_200.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/201_209.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/210_215.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/216_225.html

...many more

This is only half the documents for Cuba 1961-1962. I could post Cuba's document's as well but I feel you won't accept them, even though they reaffirm the US ones. What you are asking for are literally thousands of pages of documentation. It's out there.

For the information surrounding Iran in 1951-53 read here. With documents.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/index.htm

Seriously - thanks, I will read them and get back to you.
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Seriously - thanks, I will read them and get back to you.
When you are done I can post more. See you in a few years.
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When you are done I can post more. See you in a few years.
I am guessing that you have never read these. Which would prove my point from earlier.
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I am guessing that you have never read these. Which would prove my point from earlier.
Read them all. By the way...you have egg on your face.


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It can't be true. You posted some commie link!
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I agree with you about the oil nationalization. That is why he was overthrown! An editorial is not an acceptable historical source! And as I said mosaddeq was democratically elected! That article did nothing to disprove that, so what was the point of it? That we deposed a democratically elected leader who was anti-west for curbing liberties, and replaced him with a pro-west dictator who curbed liberty?
Actually history shows us the Iran flourished after his deposing.

History also shows us he was a bad guy,removing him wasnt exactly evil as charged:
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/m...d_mosaddeq.php

Show me source that says differently.
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Yes I can. From declassified US documents. The only problem is you have about a few thousand pages to go through, all of them being incredibly long.

Let's start with Cuba first:
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/01_15.html
Okay I have read this first one and as I suspected it does not contain anything other than chat about breaking relations and plans to overthrow Castro, no list of terrorist activities.
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/16_30.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/31_45.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/46_60.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/61_75.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/76_90.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...sX/91_105.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/106_120.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/121_135.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/136_150.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/151_165.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/166_175.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/176_180.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/181_195.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/196_200.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/201_209.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/210_215.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/216_225.html

...many more

This is only half the documents for Cuba 1961-1962. I could post Cuba's document's as well but I feel you won't accept them, even though they reaffirm the US ones. What you are asking for are literally thousands of pages of documentation. It's out there.

For the information surrounding Iran in 1951-53 read here. With documents.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/index.htm
1 down a plethora to go and your still full of crap.
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Brilliant work, Tutatara. The notion that The US is a benign force for good is belied by the historical record. An over-riding humanitarian interventionist US foreign policy is a misnomer.
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Yes I can. From declassified US documents. The only problem is you have about a few thousand pages to go through, all of them being incredibly long.

Let's start with Cuba first:
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/01_15.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/16_30.html
MOre discussions.
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/31_45.html
A complex COA, threat assessment, POA, and more discussions, we have one for every threat country in the world.
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/46_60.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/61_75.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...usX/76_90.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...sX/91_105.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/106_120.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/121_135.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/136_150.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/151_165.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/166_175.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/176_180.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/181_195.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/196_200.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/201_209.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/210_215.html
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state...X/216_225.html

...many more

This is only half the documents for Cuba 1961-1962. I could post Cuba's document's as well but I feel you won't accept them, even though they reaffirm the US ones. What you are asking for are literally thousands of pages of documentation. It's out there.

For the information surrounding Iran in 1951-53 read here. With documents.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/index.htm
I will continue later.
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