US Sponsored Terrorism - Page 5

Tuatara · #41 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

A complex COA, threat assessment, POA, and more discussions, we have one for every threat country in the world.

Yet the US went ahead with this. Remember the Bay Of Pigs, Operation Mongoose? They happened.

C-D-P · #42 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 04:35 PM

Your point would be?

Tuatara · #43 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MrRelevant

Actually history shows us the Iran flourished after his deposing.

History also shows us he was a bad guy,removing him wasnt exactly evil as charged:
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/m...d_mosaddeq.php

Show me source that says differently.

I already did, complete with declassified US documents.

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The CIA, with help from British intelligence, planned, funded and implemented the operation. When the plot threatened to fall apart entirely at an early point, U.S. agents on the ground took the initiative to jump-start the operation, adapted the plans to fit the new circumstances, and pressed their Iranian collaborators to keep going. Moreover, a British-led oil boycott, supported by the United States, plus a wide range of ongoing political pressures by both governments against Mosaddeq, culminating in a massive covert propaganda campaign in the months leading up to the coup helped create the environment necessary for success.

However, Iranians also contributed in many ways. Among the Iranians involved were the Shah, Zahedi and several non-official figures who worked closely with the American and British intelligence services. Their roles in the coup were clearly vital, but so also were the activities of various political groups - in particular members of the National Front who split with Mosaddeq by early 1953, and the Tudeh party - in critically undermining Mosaddeq's base of support. The volume provides substantial detail and analysis about the roles of each of these groups and individuals, and even includes scrutiny of Mosaddeq and the ways in which he contributed to his own demise.

The "28 Mordad" coup, as it is known by its Persian date, was a watershed for Iran, for the Middle East and for the standing of the United States in the region. The joint U.S.-British operation ended Iran's drive to assert sovereign control over its own resources and helped put an end to a vibrant chapter in the history of the country's nationalist and democratic movements. These consequences resonated with dramatic effect in later years. When the Shah finally fell in 1979, memories of the U.S. intervention in 1953, which made possible the monarch's subsequent, and increasingly unpopular, 25-reign intensified the anti-American character of the revolution in the minds of many Iranians.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/index.htm

C-D-P · #44 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuatara

I already did, complete with declassified US documents.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB126/index.htm

Yeah. That does not say anything about how evil it was. I see a successful operation.

Tuatara · #45 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

Yeah. That does not say anything about how evil it was. I see a successful operation.

Successful if you feel countries shouldn't elect their own leaders. Successful if you are against nations having their own sovereignty. Successful if you like having thousands of innocents murdered. A real success story.

This is why I laugh when military personnel tell people they are fighting for freedom and democracy.

Put an American flag on it and it's never wrong. Right C-D-P

C-D-P · #46 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuatara

Successful if you feel countries shouldn't elect their own leaders. Successful if you are against nations having their own sovereignty. Successful if you like having thousands of innocents murdered. A real success story.

This is why I laugh when military personnel tell people they are fighting for freedom and democracy.

Put an American flag on it and it's never wrong. Right C-D-P

I don't know Tut. Your boys will be right along side me doing FID in a few months.

MasTequila · #47 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuatara

4 down a plethora to go and you are still full of crap, I guess the egg is off my face and onto yours, effin canadians.

PatriotNews · #48 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MasTequila

A lot of posts that have proved nothing. I will stop asking you for links. But based on your reading material and lack of ability to filter through, I now understand your position.

The dude totally forgot that Ronald Reagan killed John Lennon!

http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com/index.asp

MasTequila · #49 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PatriotNews

The dude totally forgot that Ronald Reagan killed John Lennon!

http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com/index.asp

I have now completely read through 8 of his links and not a single one admits to US terrorism. Whacked out potheads from canada that don't understand the lengths Americans are willing to go to defend their country.

Tuatara · #50 (**permalink**) 05-06-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MasTequila

I have now completely read through 8 of his links and not a single one admits to US terrorism. Whacked out potheads from canada that don't understand the lengths Americans are willing to go to defend their country.

Well you must have read this then.

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In a communique issued in Havana on April 15, 1961, Cuban Prime Minister Fidel Castro charged that at 6 a.m. that morning B-26 bombers from the United States simultaneously bombed points in the cities of Havana, San Antonio de los Banos, and Santiago. Castro accused the United States of "imperialist aggression" and added that the Cuban Delegation to the United Nations had been instructed to ask the United Nations to respond to a formal charge of aggression against Cuba by the United States.

Was Castro lying. Well let's look at what the US documents say.

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Air Branch/1/ [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] Combat Mission Report/2/

/1/Air Branch was handwritten on the source text above the excised material.

/2/According to Bissell's memoirs, he was instructed by President Kennedy on April 14 to "play down the magnitude of the invasion," and to reduce the scale of the initial air strike and make it "minimal." Bissell's impression was that the President issued this instruction without consulting the Joint Chiefs of Staff or the Secretary of Defense. Acting on the President's instruction, Bissell cut the size of the air strike for April 15 from 16 aircraft to 8.
Santiago

Both aircraft returned to base safely. Pilots reported airfield completely destroyed and fires everywhere. One B-26 reported destroyed by rockets, one T-33 probably destroyed by .50 calibre fire, and one C-47 destroyed by .50 calibre fire. All aircraft on ramp reported afire. AAA reported as heavy and determined. Aircraft repeatedly exchanged fire with AAA positions until AAA ceased. One aircraft returned base with numerous holes, complete hydraulic failure and one hung rocket. However, landed without incident.

San Antonio

Two aircraft returned base safely and pilots reported attack destroyed 75 per cent of field. Operations building was destroyed and one T-33 on alert exploded. Two additional T-33's were possibly destroyed. Smoke from bombs partially obliterated target and precluded accurate damage assessment. Heavy AAA was reported. One aircraft landed at Grand Cayman Island because of low fuel.

Libertad

One aircraft returned to base safely and pilot reported target partially destroyed. All bombs fell within confines of the base. (Press reports stated one bomb scored direct hit on an Air Force ammunition dump and explosions were still occurring 30 minutes after the attack.) Heavy AAA was reported. One aircraft was damaged by AAA and forced to feather engine which was on fire. Companion aircraft accompanied toward Key West but observed damaged aircraft in uncontrolled crash into ocean. No parachutes or survivors were observed. Second aircraft, now low on fuel, continued to Florida and landed at Boca Chica. Extent of damage not yet determined.

I'm dealing with amateurs. That was on page 7. Dropping bombs on a country that you've made no declaration of war on is an act of terrorism.

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