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Old 05-06-2008, 01:41 PM
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Would you rather have California (the largest state) make the ultimate decision on what the laws should be. In that case, we would all be able to smoke marijuana. If the people in a certain state want not to have the death penalty, then they are advertising it to potential criminals. Different states have different bar exams because they have different laws and different standards. (Think about how many laws California has compared to Wyoming.)

The point is that people need to make their laws for themselves, and exercise good judgment.
So you meant that we are actually living in 50 countries, we can choose any country we like depending on our needs. When it comes to presidential election, we stick together to vote the person we hate the most. And of course after federal government's tax we have to pay state's tax too. On top of income taxes we have to pay additional taxes like: property tax, school independent tax, gas tax, sales tax, driver license tax, social security tax, airport tax, harbor tax, tollway tax... and many other taxes and fees.
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So you meant that we are actually living in 50 countries, we can choose any country we like depending on our needs. When it comes to presidential election, we stick together to vote the person we hate the most. And of course after federal government's tax we have to pay state's tax too. On top of income taxes we have to pay additional taxes like: property tax, school independent tax, gas tax, sales tax, driver license tax, social security tax, airport tax, harbor tax, tollway tax... and many other taxes and fees.
Just because a state can make some decisions for itself does not make it a country. Taxes are bad, but you will see more of your state taxes actually benefiting you instead of someone hundreds of miles away. The point is that people need to make their own decisions about their own lives, and states make this much more practical than just having one, superpowerful national government.
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Just because a state can make some decisions for itself does not make it a country. Taxes are bad, but you will see more of your state taxes actually benefiting you instead of someone hundreds of miles away. The point is that people need to make their own decisions about their own lives, and states make this much more practical than just having one, superpowerful national government.
What i am obseving is the federal government is not efficent to take care our fellow citizens and state government has not enough funds to support the state. Gambling and Lottory are the results of this failure. Why do we need a federal government for? Just to invade other countries?

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The state system devolves power from a central location which is a good thing. Ask the people of Europe if they would like more regional autonomy and i think you'll be surprised on the responses.
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So you meant that we are actually living in 50 countries, we can choose any country we like depending on our needs. When it comes to presidential election, we stick together to vote the person we hate the most. And of course after federal government's tax we have to pay state's tax too. On top of income taxes we have to pay additional taxes like: property tax, school independent tax, gas tax, sales tax, driver license tax, social security tax, airport tax, harbor tax, tollway tax... and many other taxes and fees.
Well yeah it is 50 ceperate countries. We are a union, combined at of mutual interest. Our union is a model for what a democratic world government should be like, not a solitary unified power that controls everything.
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What i am obseving is the federal government is not efficent to take care our fellow citizens and state government has not enough funds to support the state. Gambling and Lottory are the results of this failure. Why do we need a federal government for? Just to invade other countries?
we are a hybrid between a weak union of individual countries (ie as we were under the Articles of Confederation) and a centrally controlled country. our federal government's function is to regulate interstate commerce, maintain a single currency, provide for the defense of the states, regulate the relationships among the states, et cetera. I refer you to the U.S. Constitution, the Federalist Papers, and Anti-Federalist Papers for a more complete discussion on the roles of the state and federal governments.

as for supporting the state or providing for the citizenry, it is not the function of government to "care for our fellow citizens" it is rather the an implied moral obligation for individuals to help others within their community and outside their community. this is done through volunteerism, charitable giving, and community organizations. if the state or federal government is spending more than they can afford, perhaps they should re-evaluate what they are spending money on. this is particularly true of the federal government and routine deficit spending.

it is my position that state and federal government need to get out of social welfare and morality. the federal government should be reigned in to act only in matters that were specifically enumerated in the Constitution and the Amendments as being under federal jurisdiction. the states should, and in many cases do, have the ability to make and enforce laws their citizens see as appropriate, provided such laws do not contradict the Constitution.
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we are a hybrid between a weak union of individual countries (ie as we were under the Articles of Confederation) and a centrally controlled country. our federal government's function is to regulate interstate commerce, maintain a single currency, provide for the defense of the states, regulate the relationships among the states, et cetera. I refer you to the U.S. Constitution, the Federalist Papers, and Anti-Federalist Papers for a more complete discussion on the roles of the state and federal governments.

as for supporting the state or providing for the citizenry, it is not the function of government to "care for our fellow citizens" it is rather the an implied moral obligation for individuals to help others within their community and outside their community. this is done through volunteerism, charitable giving, and community organizations. if the state or federal government is spending more than they can afford, perhaps they should re-evaluate what they are spending money on. this is particularly true of the federal government and routine deficit spending.

it is my position that state and federal government need to get out of social welfare and morality. the federal government should be reigned in to act only in matters that were specifically enumerated in the Constitution and the Amendments as being under federal jurisdiction. the states should, and in many cases do, have the ability to make and enforce laws their citizens see as appropriate, provided such laws do not contradict the Constitution.
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I think these DATCU sticky notes sum it up pretty well.

"Different People. Different Needs. One Credit Union."

Interpret that how you want.
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What i am obseving is the federal government is not efficent to take care our fellow citizens and state government has not enough funds to support the state.
That's the problem.
The federal government should not have to "take care of you." What are you? A freakin' baby? You gotta have your mommy warm your bottle at night for you too? Do you need to be tucked in at night, and told a story? Why can't you provide for yourself? Why does the government have to do it for you?

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To defend against our national interests, and to guarantee that the state governments do not infringe upon the U.S. constitution.

Seriously...do you believe in any personal responsibility? Can't you own up for you own actions at all??
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If you can't take care of yourself, what makes you think that someone else who happens to be in the government can take care of both of you (and numerous others)?
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