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I can't believe we have so many people in this country who would willingly, and voluntarily become slaves of their government. What a complete lack of pride and personal integrity. These are the exact kind of people who put Adolf Hitler into power (yeah...for the slow people on this board, he was elected into office).
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If you can't take care of yourself, what makes you think that someone else who happens to be in the government can take care of both of you (and numerous others)?
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In our nation, each state has its own state CRIMINAL law, which can create not only confusion to the public but also injustice in comparison to other states. As a result, a similar crime can be resulted in different punishment. For example; a sex/murder case some state could give 10 years sentences while other state could give 25 years, life in prison or even death penalty. To me under one nation, we should have the same law and measurement for sentencing for all states. State do have the juridiciarly authority over its people but over all the federal is to guide each state how to be fair and consistency in terms of law.

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Would you rather have California (the largest state) make the ultimate decision on what the laws should be. In that case, we would all be able to smoke marijuana.
We really do need to reign in the feds and take back the power they've usurped over the years.

What right do they have to tell California it can't legalize marijuana?
What right do they have to tell Oregon it can't legalize assisted suicide?
What right do they have to tell Massachusetts it can't legalize gay marriage?
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we are a hybrid between a weak union of individual countries (ie as we were under the Articles of Confederation) and a centrally controlled country. our federal government's function is to regulate interstate commerce, maintain a single currency, provide for the defense of the states, regulate the relationships among the states, et cetera. I refer you to the U.S. Constitution, the Federalist Papers, and Anti-Federalist Papers for a more complete discussion on the roles of the state and federal governments.

as for supporting the state or providing for the citizenry, it is not the function of government to "care for our fellow citizens" it is rather the an implied moral obligation for individuals to help others within their community and outside their community. this is done through volunteerism, charitable giving, and community organizations. if the state or federal government is spending more than they can afford, perhaps they should re-evaluate what they are spending money on. this is particularly true of the federal government and routine deficit spending.

it is my position that state and federal government need to get out of social welfare and morality. the federal government should be reigned in to act only in matters that were specifically enumerated in the Constitution and the Amendments as being under federal jurisdiction. the states should, and in many cases do, have the ability to make and enforce laws their citizens see as appropriate, provided such laws do not contradict the Constitution.
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We really do need to reign in the feds and take back the power they've usurped over the years.

What right do they have to tell California it can't legalize marijuana?
What right do they have to tell Oregon it can't legalize assisted suicide?
What right do they have to tell Massachusetts it can't legalize gay marriage?
I agree. Federal powers are enumerated and explicit and these types of matter should be left up to the individual states to decide. Hell if Vegas can have legal prostitution why can't Californians get stoned?
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In our nation, each state has its own state CRIMINAL law, which can create not only confusion to the public but also injustice in comparison to other states. As a result, a similar crime can be resulted in different punishment. For example; a sex/murder case some state could give 10 years sentences while other state could give 25 years, life in prison or even death penalty. To me under one nation, we should have the same law and measurement for sentencing for all states. State do have the juridiciarly authority over its people but over all the federal is to guide each state how to be fair and consistency in terms of law.
While there is something to be said for consistency, there is virtue in having a separation of power and limited jurisdictions. For instance:

1. It allows for social experimentation and the picking of best practices... if everyone was under one law, we would not have the opportunity to see if anything else works better. It gives us a greater pool of knowledge.

2. It allows us sanctuary from corruption, to a degree.... if we were all under one law, there would be no escape. It is only because there is a separation of power and limited jurisdiction that, for instance, slaves were able to run to the north to be free.

At the same time, however, the one law coming down from the top has helped to put an end to many of the bad practices of the states... so there is certainly a virtue to the uniformity that the federal government provides as well... Where's the proper balance? I don't know... But I don't think it lies with establishing a single republic.
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We really do need to reign in the feds and take back the power they've usurped over the years.

What right do they have to tell California it can't legalize marijuana?
What right do they have to tell Oregon it can't legalize assisted suicide?
What right do they have to tell Massachusetts it can't legalize gay marriage?
excellent post!

the feds should be reigned in and stick to the powers enumerated in the constitution.

What right do they have in telling Mississippi they can't ban abortion?
What right do they have in telling Louisiana that the drinking age must be 21? (via highway funds)
What right do they have in telling New Mexico that the speed limit cannot exceed 75mph? (via highway funds)
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excellent post!What right do they have in telling Louisiana that the drinking age must be 21? (via highway funds)
They actually do have the right to legislate this because of the interstate commerce clause, but the rest of the stuff you got right.
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They actually do have the right to legislate this because of the interstate commerce clause, but the rest of the stuff you got right.
Actually their "regulation" of the 21 drinking age is not directly a result of their power to regulate interstate commerce. It was more like extortion... They used the highway funds to more or less force all of the states to establish 21 age limit. They said they would not give the funds unless the states changed the age to 21.

If the government was actually using their constitutional power to enforce this age limit, they would have passed a law that overroad the state laws. But they did not have that power. Instead they had to find a way to force the states to do it. Illegal? Probably not. Example of them using force outside the scope of their constitutional powers? Absolutely.
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