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Old 05-09-2008, 07:53 AM
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Although you make some good point s, you forget who you are dealing with! These are the guys that make things like Breaking the law just go away. They torture innocent people and terrorist and it’s against the law; U.S. and internationally, but how do they handle this. The Republican Party simply changes the definition of torture to be anything up to the point of death. So you can do anything as long as it doesn’t cause death. They fire prosecutors to install people loyal to Bush; The E-mails that weren’t destroyed called these people loyal "Bushies". Now this represents a consorted effort to take over the country! In 2000 they rigged the Election and got away with it. George Bushes own autobiography mentions that he thought his father made a big mistake in not going to Baghdad during the first Golf war and went on to explain that his father had a tremendous amount of political capital during that time, which he wasted. George bush said that if he had the chance to go into Iraq; that he would take advantage of the political opportunity and use it to get the things he wants passed and get the people he wants into positions within his administration. With the pre-confession in his autobiography and the Intel suggesting there were no WMD's in Iraq and the subsequent lies told to foster a war with Iraq. Do you think for one minuet that McCain can’t deal with his own pastor problems! He will simply state I was never a member of his church and it will be left alone. While Obama will be brow beaten for his association and it will NOT be left alone! Understand where we are, understand that we are just spectators in this process; obviously our votes have limited power over who gets elected (Electoral College). I’m sorry but McCain’s Pastors will have little air time and have little effect on his support! We can only hope his double dealing in campaign matching funds and his loan to his campaign based on moneys he said he wouldn’t take bites him in the @$$! Remember he’s a war Hero and that is what they will beat like a dead horse and display for the country. Strange thing is it will have a major impact.

You make alot of aqusations here that you can't prove, you think Bush is the only president who pardoned anyone? You think Bush is the only president that fired people to hire people loyal to them?
And in 2000 they rigged the election, give me a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing break, the electoral college has been around since 1804 - But only now is it a problem becasue the inventor of the internet lost.

It was US policy that Saddam would be undermined and overthrown before this administration came into office. Many projects and operations were done to destabilize and possibly cause the populace or some of his inner circle to oust him and install a new leader. This was policy handed to the present administration when they came into office. It wasn't invented in 2000.

911 happened. We struck at those who were behind it. We were fairly successful and handed the country over to native leadership. Arguments can be made all day about the statement "finish the job" in Afghan but the reality is that you or no one else knows if the job would have been finished by us just focusing there after outing the Taliban.

We've been engaged in a global conflict since out eyes were opened on 911. We've fought in more places than just Iraq since invading Afghan.


Repeating the same misinformation over and over again does not make it true
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Old 05-09-2008, 08:16 AM
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You make alot of aqusations here that you can't prove, you think Bush is the only president who pardoned anyone? You think Bush is the only president that fired people to hire people loyal to them?
And in 2000 they rigged the election, give me a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing break, the electoral college has been around since 1804 - But only now is it a problem becasue the inventor of the internet lost.

It was US policy that Saddam would be undermined and overthrown before this administration came into office. Many projects and operations were done to destabilize and possibly cause the populace or some of his inner circle to oust him and install a new leader. This was policy handed to the present administration when they came into office. It wasn't invented in 2000.

911 happened. We struck at those who were behind it. We were fairly successful and handed the country over to native leadership. Arguments can be made all day about the statement "finish the job" in Afghan but the reality is that you or no one else knows if the job would have been finished by us just focusing there after outing the Taliban.

We've been engaged in a global conflict since out eyes were opened on 911. We've fought in more places than just Iraq since invading Afghan.


Repeating the same misinformation over and over again does not make it true
I never mentioned that Bush pardoned anyone? The Prosecutors do indeed serve at the pleasure of the President; No augment! When there is a disgruntled Prosecutor (Republican by the way) that says his termination interview was not correct in terms of the reason he was given for his firing and the involvement of the attorney general (This is all fact) which didn’t belong, as well as the E-mails that have been released in public one can draw an opinion that this was a designed situation! The hearing are on you tube! (Don’t take my word for it) 2000 came down to one state! The election was certified by Catherine Harris and then finalized by the Supreme Court. Why did it go there for their decision on it! Contested. Go find a copy of Bushes auto biography if you don’t believe my statements about his comments in regards to Iraq. Cindy Sheehan read it in a committee discussing Iraq and the call to go to war (I hate her screechy voice). We've been engaged in a global conflict way before 911, so take some time to read up on all our dealings around the world before you boil it all down to 911. I’m not going to argue about "Finishing the Job" we all know it needs to be done! Its not mis-information, it’s the truth and you have seen it yourself but choose to dismiss it!
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Old 05-09-2008, 08:34 AM
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So if Gore had won you would have the same opinion? Or is it just because Bush won?

Perhaps you should read this then get back to me about how this was all preplanned by Bush

before Bush came to Washington, the Democrats were warning of Saddam's WMDs and calling for Saddam's demise.

In 2002 the Democrats looked at the EXACT same intel as the President did, and came to the same conclusions.

In late 2003, when it became apparent that there were no stockpiles of WMDs, the Democrats (specifically Sen Rockefeller) drafted a strategy to claim that "BUSH LIED". For them, history began that morning, and there is to be no reference to anything they have ever previously said about the subject.

As the saying goes "Success has a thousand fathers, failure is an orphan". I don't think Bush has orphaned Iraq, but the Democrats are sure as hell trying...


Also, you need to read up on the Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0021002-2.html, is definitely in there:

Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Whereas in 1998 Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in "material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations" and urged the President "to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations" (Public Law 105-235);

Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people;

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001 underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations;

Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;

Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687, repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688, and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949;

Whereas Congress in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1) has authorized the President "to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677";

Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102-1)," that Iraq's repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and "constitutes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region," and that Congress, "supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688";

Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-33 expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime;

Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to "work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge" posed by Iraq and to "work for the necessary resolutions," while also making clear that "the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable";

Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;

Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001 or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations;

Whereas the President has authority under the Constitution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40); and

Whereas it is in the national security of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region;
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"Well when you match a war hero agaisnt a complete zero, who would you like to win?"

Apparently you preferred the "complete zero". You did vote for George W. Bush didn't you?
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"Well when you match a war hero agaisnt a complete zero, who would you like to win?"

Apparently you preferred the "complete zero". You did vote for George W. Bush didn't you?
So Clinton was so much better? Chasing interns around and saoking cigars? Letting the corporate corruption scandals brew, letting Al Quada grow and prosper? Bin Laden himself said that when we tucked our tails and ran from Somalia, he knew he could beat us!

Clinton was at least as bad as Bush!!!
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So Clinton was so much better? Chasing interns around and saoking cigars? Letting the corporate corruption scandals brew, letting Al Quada grow and prosper? Bin Laden himself said that when we tucked our tails and ran from Somalia, he knew he could beat us!

Clinton was at least as bad as Bush!!!
Ronald was the one who helped propped up Al Qaeda.

Clinton and Bush just dropped the ball in going after them.
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Ronald was the one who helped propped up Al Qaeda.

Clinton and Bush just dropped the ball in going after them.
As long as Al Qaeda was attacking the USSR during their invasion of Afghanistan I didn't care if we supported them, but now we just need to get rid of them.
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This is very disappointing - i go through all the trouble of posting this information for the Bush lied crowd and all I get is silence. To much to read?

here let me help you

1998 - Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act (Public Law 105-338 ) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.

Who was the president in 1998? Sure wasn't George Bush
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