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Old 05-08-2008, 08:59 AM
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When Republicans found a video clip of Barrack Obama's former pastor delivering an over the top rant against America they thought they'd found a winner. The pastor's comments were denounced immediately by virtually everyone, including Obama. But the Republicans wanted to play the "guilt by association" card so they kept shoving the topic into the public debate. Apparently they'd forgotten about the old adage of rock throwing when you live in a glass house.

Now their Republican candidate has his problems over a pastor's remarks. John McCain, knowing full well the message of hate and intolerance from John Hagee sought out, and welcomed his support and endorsement. Hagee's radical comments have been well documented over the years in televised sermons, books and interviews, so McCain's campaign knew full well his views and stated positions. The New York Times has recently published an article detailing many of his hate-spewing messages.

There is another individual that John McCain has sought out and welcomed into his inner circle that is equally problematic. Rev. Rod Parsley, the man John McCain calls his "spiritual advisor", also has a long record of outrageous, divisive remarks delivered as "sermons". He claims America was actually founded so that we can eradicate Islam from the planet. He believes America should actually deal with Islam as if it's some despicable disease that needs to be vanquished from the world. To do so, he advocates virtually a permanent state of war, in which the United States should go around the planet killing followers of Islam. This "Christian", this pastor, has actually said in a sermon... "We get off on war!"

So John McCain has chosen, that's CHOSEN, made a calculated, conscientious decision to bring these merchants of intolerance into his inner circle. What concessions he's made to secure their endorsements and support is not known. His "spiritual advisor" even has wet dreams, "getting off on war". Presumably, Rev. Parson's thirst for war and "getting off" on it doesn't involve his direct participation. Between these two, self-claimed "Christians", they would see an America that attacks Catholics and Islam, using actual warfare with deaths, destruction and devastation so they can "get off". These are individuals intentionally sought out and selected by John McCain to part of his campaign, and should he win the election, his administration as well.

Since Republicans want to use "guilt by association" as a criteria for America to use in deciding our next president it's a two-way street. There is the issue of the video tape of Obama's former pastor, whose remarks were denounced by Obama, and who has now separated himself from the pastor. Then there are the two pastors sought out and embraced by John McCain, that he remains aligned with, and has even elevated one to the status of "spiritual advisor". If Republicans are correct in assuming Americans want more war, actually on a global front, then they won't have a problem with hate-spewing messages from this pair. If they're wrong, then they need Americans to not be aware of the true, core, publically stated positions of McCain's advisers.

Here's a link to a short video featuring John McCain and his "spiritual advisor", Rod Parsley. If this is repugnant to you, if you don't think this is the course our nation should take, if you're not an advocate of a perpetual state of global war for our nation, then don't simply view this video and disagree... share it with someone else. Our country is at a crossroads and we have to decide what kind of people we truly are. Knowing the facts, the real facts, is an essential part of making that decision.

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/38133-...source=rgemail
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Ha Ha, this will probably help McCain because he lacks the support of the neocons and the jingoistic rightwingers like Ann Coulter. Wright hates white people, and this guy, you say, hates Muslims. There is a difference. People can't help their race, but they can choose their religion (unless you live in a country where they will kill you if you try, and those countries happen to be Muslim) We need to take over those countries. Freedom for all!
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There's no actual evidence that either Wright hates whites or that Hagee hates Muslims.
They both have abrasive and counterproductive ideological outlooks.
And in both cases, the politicians in question have denounced the parts of the preachers' ideologies that hit the American people most harshly. And in both cases... I really don't see the relevance of the views of supporters, endorsers or friends.

McCain and Hagee are allies of convenience on ONE issue... which happens to be Hagee's most important political agenda- defend Israel at all costs. Of course I have no reason to think McCain is the kind of loon that is against the two-state solution the way Hagee is.
As for Obama, Wright had a personal relationship with him. They share a church. Theirs is a friendship. And it seems to have fallen out over the bitterness in this race... kind of sad really.

We spend way too much time focusing on what other people think and not enough on wht the candidates will do. If we spent this much time talking about SC appointees, cabinet makeups, and foreign policy outlines I'd have more faith in this election.
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There's no actual evidence that either Wright hates whites
False... Wright has presented the evidence in any of dozens of sermons where he blames whites for the problems of lazy, shiftless blacks...

But hey... That's evil for ya.
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False... Wright has presented the evidence in any of dozens of sermons where he blames whites for the problems of lazy, shiftless blacks...
In general terms... What does that have to do with hate?
It doesn't even have anything to do with individual whites, let alone hate.
Whether his ideology makes sense or not is not at issue in this instance. Prove hate.
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In general terms... What does that have to do with hate?
The hate represented in those general terms...
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Saying "we get off on war" isn't too far-fetched.
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When Republicans found a video clip of Barrack Obama's former pastor delivering an over the top rant against America they thought they'd found a winner. The pastor's comments were denounced immediately by virtually everyone, including Obama. But the Republicans wanted to play the "guilt by association" card so they kept shoving the topic into the public debate. Apparently they'd forgotten about the old adage of rock throwing when you live in a glass house.

Now their Republican candidate has his problems over a pastor's remarks. John McCain, knowing full well the message of hate and intolerance from John Hagee sought out, and welcomed his support and endorsement. Hagee's radical comments have been well documented over the years in televised sermons, books and interviews, so McCain's campaign knew full well his views and stated positions. The New York Times has recently published an article detailing many of his hate-spewing messages.

There is another individual that John McCain has sought out and welcomed into his inner circle that is equally problematic. Rev. Rod Parsley, the man John McCain calls his "spiritual advisor", also has a long record of outrageous, divisive remarks delivered as "sermons". He claims America was actually founded so that we can eradicate Islam from the planet. He believes America should actually deal with Islam as if it's some despicable disease that needs to be vanquished from the world. To do so, he advocates virtually a permanent state of war, in which the United States should go around the planet killing followers of Islam. This "Christian", this pastor, has actually said in a sermon... "We get off on war!"

So John McCain has chosen, that's CHOSEN, made a calculated, conscientious decision to bring these merchants of intolerance into his inner circle. What concessions he's made to secure their endorsements and support is not known. His "spiritual advisor" even has wet dreams, "getting off on war". Presumably, Rev. Parson's thirst for war and "getting off" on it doesn't involve his direct participation. Between these two, self-claimed "Christians", they would see an America that attacks Catholics and Islam, using actual warfare with deaths, destruction and devastation so they can "get off". These are individuals intentionally sought out and selected by John McCain to part of his campaign, and should he win the election, his administration as well.

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Here's a link to a short video featuring John McCain and his "spiritual advisor", Rod Parsley. If this is repugnant to you, if you don't think this is the course our nation should take, if you're not an advocate of a perpetual state of global war for our nation, then don't simply view this video and disagree... share it with someone else. Our country is at a crossroads and we have to decide what kind of people we truly are. Knowing the facts, the real facts, is an essential part of making that decision.

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/38133-...source=rgemail
So John McCain has associated himself with someone who actually understands that we are at war with islam?

McCain's stock just went up!!
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I guess hate speech is acceptable when its a white guy doing it, but when its a black guy doing it, then its the end of the world lol..

I dont think the Wright thing was a big deal, and I dont think the Hagee thing is a big deal.

Both of them say idiotic things, but they also speak the truth in SOME instances as well.

And neither McCain nor Obama should be held accountable for what either of these guys are saying.
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McCain is a disgusting islamophobic racist.
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