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do the math? for 136 to equal 100, the euro must equal 1.36 per one dollar.
wee one, look at the exchange rate 5 years ago and compare that to the exchange rate today. do the math
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You're so right! and Universal healthcare is just another one of those isms that corrupts the free market. People shouldn't question these things, but they do, and that leads to things like protectionism and universal healthcare which corrupt the system and make it work less smoothly..
Universal healthcare is better than other forms of protectionism- the kind that will withdraw us from the global market entirely.
Like it or not, policy is run by people. This is one of those things that happens outside of the economy (perhaps an economy all its own). If not the people, then someone uses it to tweek the system in their favor.

And the current state of our "free market" medical system is not so wonderful.


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And to make sure I prove my point, Don't you think it's odd that democrats are screaming universal healthcare? Is there any other possible way to consider economic "help" from the government? I sure hope so, after all, liberals are the ones that try to impresses everyone with their college intelligence. I would assume that they have better problem solving abilities than that.
Not sure what all this "proves".
Frankly I'm not all that big on the UH programs that our current crop of politicians are shooting for.
But if they do work in as far as making sure people don't end up with no medical coverage as soon as they lose a job due to global competition... well then, it does the job.
The current system does not. That makes people quite antsy about global competition... makes them not want to compete at all.

You can go ahead dismissing their fears as ridiculous or uninformed or short-sighted or whatever. But those fears are based in a reality... and they aren't going away to convenience you or anyone else.
They will result in either an adaptation that helps us get through this particular period of turbulence... or an adaptation that causes us to withdraw and head backward.

Unless you think you're going to stop all the fear by going up and explaining to people that they will eventually get retrained or fail and someone else will and the market will fix itself.
Good luck on that.
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wee one, look at the exchange rate 5 years ago and compare that to the exchange rate today. do the math
do you attend public school?
how about you show me then, if you can.
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I never claimed that 100,000 civilians died by American hands. I merely state the fact that our invasion and occupation has resulted in 100,000 civilian deaths.

This is figure approximates the numbers from Iraq Body Count, the most well documented, and highly regarded, source of civilian Iraq deaths from violence during our war with Iraq.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
So your logic is that if we are not there, the number will go down... That makes perfect sense... not.
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Universal healthcare is better than other forms of protectionism
You say that now, but do you have proof to back it up? All I need to do is compare GDPs between our nation and the nations that don't have it and I've got more proof than you. There are a million things that can go wrong, but you're not as quick to criticize those.
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I never claimed that 100,000 civilians died by American hands. I merely state the fact that our invasion and occupation has resulted in 100,000 civilian deaths.

This is figure approximates the numbers from Iraq Body Count, the most well documented, and highly regarded, source of civilian Iraq deaths from violence during our war with Iraq.
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You say that now, but do you have proof to back it up? All I need to do is compare GDPs between our nation and the nations that don't have it and I've got more proof than you. There are a million things that can go wrong, but you're not as quick to criticize those.
Compare our GDP to a nation that puts up tariffs, illegalizes outsourcing, nationalizes oil, and places tight regulations on all industries, tightens immigration laws, etc.
That's where we will be heading if our nation remains feeling insecure about the global economy. We will withdraw. It's a downward spiral from there.

And can you show me a problem with the GDPs of countries based on UH while holding all other variables constant?
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how about you show me then, if you can.
1 / ~.64(now) * ~.87(5yr ago) = ~136
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1 / ~.64(now) * ~.87(5yr ago) = ~136
-.- I wanted him to explain for a reason.
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I never claimed that 100,000 civilians died by American hands. I merely state the fact that our invasion and occupation has resulted in 100,000 civilian deaths.

This is figure approximates the numbers from Iraq Body Count, the most well documented, and highly regarded, source of civilian Iraq deaths from violence during our war with Iraq.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
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do the math? for 136 to equal 100, the euro must equal 1.36 per one dollar.
International exchange rates don't compare that way.
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I never claimed that 100,000 civilians died by American hands. I merely state the fact that our invasion and occupation has resulted in 100,000 civilian deaths.

This is figure approximates the numbers from Iraq Body Count, the most well documented, and highly regarded, source of civilian Iraq deaths from violence during our war with Iraq.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
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