Unions are communistic.

It's a tough call. Labor unions did wonderful things for workers' rights during the industrial revolution, as well as children. The current incarnation of unions can be quite a problem and downright self destructive. I've said it many times, but the American Autoworkers Union is by far the best example of a group of individuals shooting themselves in the foot.

many years ago the union did good things but the last few they have been very corrupt . what makes them communists is the places with closed shops , why can't people work at a place and choose not to be fleeced by the union?

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Exactly. Not only did the founding fathers give people the right to form unions, but laws have explicitly been made to prevent corporations forming monopolies. Why do you think that is?
No, it is not an exception. The same thing is true for Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, etc.

Back during the times of Industrialization, monopolies were rampant and labor unions were simply in reaction to that. However, the courts took the side of the corporations monopolies instead of breaking them up as well. The government just lost its principles, just as Bush's administration is doing today. But they should still be illegal and broken up.

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

I heard recently that the economies in Sweden and Finland were faltering, even if the other two aren't, due to their excessive government welfare programs.

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

Unions are retarted. Anybody can demand anything of there boss if they feel they deserve it. If they don't give it then just quit! go work for the same factory down the road. I'm sure theres someone out there who will be happy to give you terms you can both agree on.

The thing is that there are still closed shops in America legally and that even if they are not legal, the labor unions still use other methods to become closed shop enterprises, such as the methods I described in one of my earlier posts on this thread.

Edit: Oh, maybe that was a different thread. Oh well, they can
1. Use force to prevent their employers from bringing in new workers (sit-in strikes).
2. Use force to prevent people from going in and out of the places they work (picket lines that are impassable).
3. Use intimidation of violence to threaten other workers or
4. Their employers themselves.

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

You seem to have missed my question. Let me repeat it for you:

"Exactly. Not only did the founding fathers give people the right to form unions, but laws have explicitly been made to prevent corporations forming monopolies. Why do you think that is?"

And if there is not a factory down the road that will give you the terms you want, there will be an army of workers who want these terms and would be willing to work for you if you offered them. You would be highly successful if you did this, and therefore the other factories wouldn't just abuse you. If you don't like any practical terms that anyone would offer you for the value of your labor, then you just have to accept the fact that you can't just have everything you want without working hard for it.

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--Murray Rothbard

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.