Political Forum
     

Go Back   Political Forum > General Political Chat > Political Opinions & Beliefs


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 05-10-2008, 05:10 PM
submarinepainter's Avatar
submarinepainter submarinepainter is online now
Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Maine
Posts: 6,780
usa us maine
submarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond repute
Credits: 97,224
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanishDynamite View Post
You seem to have missed my question. Let me repeat it for you:

"Exactly. Not only did the founding fathers give people the right to form unions, but laws have explicitly been made to prevent corporations forming monopolies. Why do you think that is?"
were does it say they can go into a business and make all employees join the union ?
__________________
Aint but three things in this world thats worth a solitary dime,
But old dogs and children and watermelon wine.
Tom T. Hall
http://www.politicalforum.com/group.php?groupid=43
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Red Cross - Donate Today    Save the Rainforest
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 05-10-2008, 05:13 PM
DanishDynamite's Avatar
DanishDynamite DanishDynamite is offline
Commentator
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,110
DanishDynamite has disabled reputation
Credits: 4,012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by submarinepainter View Post
were does it say they can go into a business and make all employees join the union ?
Nowhere. Your point?
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 05-10-2008, 05:13 PM
justabubba's Avatar
justabubba justabubba is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,476
us north carolina
justabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond repute
Credits: 38,136
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by submarinepainter View Post
were does it say they can go into a business and make all employees join the union ?
5 uSC Chapter 7
__________________
Quote:
"I like to watch the news, because I don't like people very much and when you watch the news ... if you ever had an idea that people were really terrible, you could watch the news and know that you're right."
Frank Zappa
Reply With Quote
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 05-10-2008, 05:13 PM
White Fox's Avatar
White Fox White Fox is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: 催眠療法
Posts: 8,074
austria us georgia
White Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond repute
Credits: 44,837
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanishDynamite View Post
You seem to have missed my question. Let me repeat it for you:

"Exactly. Not only did the founding fathers give people the right to form unions, but laws have explicitly been made to prevent corporations forming monopolies. Why do you think that is?"
The founding fathers were aware of Smith and did not do anything like what you are talking about. If you are talking about the first amendment that gives people the right to assemble, this does not give them the right to do many of the things that unions do. They have the right to come together and talk, and then to petition the government or talk to their bosses. Their bosses don't have to do anything about it, and then the workers can quit, but they cannot interfere with the factory or any new employees that their boss has hired.

I am arguing against a union as a force to monopolize labor, not as a group of people that simply come together. I am arguing that this kind of monopoly is no different than a corporate monopoly on oil or sugar.
__________________
.
"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.

--Murray Rothbard
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skinny. View Post
A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

Join the Libertarians!
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 05-10-2008, 05:14 PM
DanishDynamite's Avatar
DanishDynamite DanishDynamite is offline
Commentator
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,110
DanishDynamite has disabled reputation
Credits: 4,012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
5 uSC Chapter 7
Interesting. Could you clarify what you are referring to?
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old 05-10-2008, 05:14 PM
White Fox's Avatar
White Fox White Fox is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: 催眠療法
Posts: 8,074
austria us georgia
White Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond reputeWhite Fox has a reputation beyond repute
Credits: 44,837
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
5 uSC Chapter 7
My point exactly.
__________________
.
"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.

--Murray Rothbard
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skinny. View Post
A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

Join the Libertarians!
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old 05-10-2008, 05:16 PM
justabubba's Avatar
justabubba justabubba is offline
Guru
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,476
us north carolina
justabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond reputejustabubba has a reputation beyond repute
Credits: 38,136
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DanishDynamite View Post
Interesting. Could you clarify what you are referring to?
here was the original question:
Quote:
were does it say they can go into a business and make all employees join the union ?
the answer is 5 United States Code Chapter 7. that is where the federal statues are found which govern the rights and responsibilities of Unions
__________________
Quote:
"I like to watch the news, because I don't like people very much and when you watch the news ... if you ever had an idea that people were really terrible, you could watch the news and know that you're right."
Frank Zappa
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old 05-10-2008, 05:18 PM
submarinepainter's Avatar
submarinepainter submarinepainter is online now
Guru
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Maine
Posts: 6,780
usa us maine
submarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond reputesubmarinepainter has a reputation beyond repute
Credits: 97,224
Default

TITLE 5 > PART I > CHAPTER 7CHAPTER 7—JUDICIAL REVIEW

Did even have the word union in it , or closed shop
__________________
Aint but three things in this world thats worth a solitary dime,
But old dogs and children and watermelon wine.
Tom T. Hall
http://www.politicalforum.com/group.php?groupid=43
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old 05-10-2008, 05:19 PM
DanishDynamite's Avatar
DanishDynamite DanishDynamite is offline
Commentator
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,110
DanishDynamite has disabled reputation
Credits: 4,012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by White Fox View Post
The founding fathers were aware of Smith and did not do anything like what you are talking about. If you are talking about the first amendment that gives people the right to assemble, this does not give them the right to do many of the things that unions do. They have the right to come together and talk, and then to petition the government or talk to their bosses. Their bosses don't have to do anything about it, and then the workers can quit, but they cannot interfere with the factory or any new employees that their boss has hired.
It doesn't say anywhere that the bosses have to do anything about it. But it also doesn't say that the workers cannot stop working if they so wish. Which is basically all that a union is about. Organizing the workers so that if the working conditions or wages are not to their liking, they can together withhold their labor.
Quote:
I am arguing against a union as a force to monopolize labor, not as a group of people that simply come together. I am arguing that this kind of monopoly is no different than a corporate monopoly on oil or sugar.
In which case you are arguing not only against freedom, but against common sense.

Last edited by DanishDynamite; 05-10-2008 at 05:20 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old 05-10-2008, 05:21 PM
DanishDynamite's Avatar
DanishDynamite DanishDynamite is offline
Commentator
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,110
DanishDynamite has disabled reputation
Credits: 4,012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
here was the original question:
the answer is 5 United States Code Chapter 7. that is where the federal statues are found which govern the rights and responsibilities of Unions
Sorry, I must be dense. What does "5 United States Code Chapter 7" refer to? Could you perhaps provide a link?
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What Good Are Unions? DemocratsBlog Political Blogs 0 01-30-2008 07:30 AM
No More Unions wishepherd Labor & Employment 33 01-23-2007 05:54 PM
Homosexual Unions cranston36 Political Opinions & Beliefs 0 11-08-2006 05:42 PM
Labor Legislation In Progress/New Labor Rules Effective Aug. Clara-Listensprechen Labor & Employment 3 08-27-2004 01:38 PM
The Failure of Unions MerlinX Labor & Employment 5 03-26-2004 07:32 PM

Sponsored Links

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0
Template-Modifikationen durch TMS
vBCredits v1.3 ©2007 by Darkwaltz4
Advertisement System V2.1 By   Branden