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Old 05-11-2008, 10:22 AM
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Default Let's Bring Back the Smith Act

This is really self-explanatory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act

The Smith Act makes it a criminal offense to:"knowingly or willfully advocate, abet, advise or teach the duty, necessity, desirability or propriety of overthrowing the Government of the United States or of any State by force or violence, or for anyone to organize any association which teaches, advises or encourages such an overthrow, or for anyone to become a member of or to affiliate with any such association."

While never specifically taken down, the act is now dead, and it should be revived.
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Why? Isn't that the very thing the founding father's did?
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Why? Isn't that the very thing the founding father's did?
I think there's a slight difference in over throwing a monarchy that can never fully represent your interests and overthrowing a democratic government that's purpose is to protect your individual liberties. If someone seriously wants to overthrow that, then they should go from a commune or something in Siberia.

If the government ever becomes so corrupt and overly powerful that it ceases to protect the individual liberties of the people, then they have every right to overthrow it. The purpose of this law was to prevent Nazis and Communists from gathering followings that they would use to overthrow the government and establish a dictatorial regime.
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I think there's a slight difference in over throwing a monarchy that can never fully represent your interests and overthrowing a democratic government that's purpose is to protect your individual liberties. If someone seriously wants to overthrow that, then they should go from a commune or something in Siberia.

If the government ever becomes so corrupt and overly powerful that it ceases to protect the individual liberties of the people, then they have every right to overthrow it. The purpose of this law was to prevent Nazis and Communists from gathering followings that they would use to overthrow the government and establish a dictatorial regime.
Sorry, but I don't trust the government to abide by your purpose. Our government has already shown disregard for civil liberties and a tendancy to suspend the rights of people when they see a need for it. I'd rather not give them anymore power over the freedom of the people.
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Sorry, but I don't trust the government to abide by your purpose. Our government has already shown disregard for civil liberties and a tendancy to suspend the rights of people when they see a need for it. I'd rather not give them anymore power over the freedom of the people.
In our society, you can still voice your opinion that the government should be smaller and less powerful, and you can still form a political party that has the purpose of making the government less powerful. However, if this government is overthrown and replaced with something more powerful, what would you do? And would you take these measures to stop it?
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In our society, you can still voice your opinion that the government should be smaller and less powerful, and you can still form a political party that has the purpose of making the government less powerful. However, if this government is overthrown and replaced with something more powerful, what would you do? And would you take these measures to stop it?
Very true, but we also have to ability to forcefully change the government if it becomes unresponsive to the will of people. If the government is overthrown and a new one, let's say a dictatorship, arises, then we should fight. But we should we also fight if the government evolves into the same thing without a coup.

This bill represents a paranoid government to me. After all, if our elected officials are acting out the will of the people, why would they fear the people rising against them? This is something I would expect from a dictator or absolute monarch, not a representative republic.
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Smith Act or no Smith Act, US citizens will always retain the option to overthrow the liberal government.

It's just a matter of time.........
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Suppose the majority supports the overthrow of the republic and the imposition of a dictatorship. Do you want the government to try to stop them?

And (speaking to Billy Bob) the purpose of bringing this act back would be to undermine the Marxist base of the Democratic party and prevent the formation of a dictatorial liberal government.

Edit: If need be, we could add a provision about why they would want the government overthrown to prevent a police state against small government supporters.
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Smith Act or no Smith Act, US citizens will always retain the option to overthrow the liberal government.

It's just a matter of time.........
or any suppressive government
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Suppose the majority supports the overthrow of the republic and the imposition of a dictatorship. Do you want the government to try to stop them?

And (speaking to Billy Bob) the purpose of bringing this act back would be to undermine the Marxist base of the Democratic party and prevent the formation of a dictatorial liberal government.
The 'government' will always try to suppress an uprising regardless of the uprisers motives.

Fortunately, Conservatives have the upper hand in such things, we have most of the guns. How would a bunch of limp-wristed, gun hating liberal (*)(*)(*)(*) ever overthrow the US government?
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