Jesus the Socialist? - Page 2

Whaler17 · #11 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ABoyNamedSue

And yea, Jesus said, "Lazarus, from the dead, I cannot raise thee. For that is the task of your government. The mighty Roman Empire has health care of the universal kind. As soon as you, Lazarus, get up, and walk thine punk ass up to the Roman clinic, then thou shall receive eternal care."

And Lazarus said; "Jesus, the lines to the clinic are around thine corner! Also, there are way too many Philistines in line, and they do not even belong in thine country! Surely I shall die again, before the barber gets to thy place in line!"

Jesus smiled and said; "Yea, Lazarus, as the prophet John Kennedy once tried to say, 'Ask not what thou can do for your country, rather what thine country can do for thou." Do not worry about the Philistines. For they are doing tasks that thine people do not wish to do. Give unto them half of thine belongings in the name of the Roman Empire, and stop thinking about thyself so much, you self-absorbed *ssh*le."

Was that Jesus of Nazareth or Jesus (Haysus) of Los Angeles?

ABoyNamedSue · #12 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Whaler17

Was that Jesus of Nazareth or Jesus (Haysus) of Los Angeles?

JesuCristo of Tijuana

catzmeow · #13 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 12:12 PM

You have failed to distinguish the differences between socialism and communalism. Jesus Christ was the FIRST proponent of a wall of separation between church and state. The church was to live communally, the state is secular, and god created it to provide stability.

Key differences. i can provide scripture references if you would like, but do you really care? Or are you just trying to rile up the Christians?

Daybreaker · #14 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 12:25 PM

God created the state? Huh?

Well. Maybe in the sense that God created everything. Is that what you mean? Like, the same way God created my laptop? Through some factory worker?

Son Of Man · #15 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Andaras

I encourage discussion on this point and for opinions on how you think Jesus' views were or were not socialist in their orientation.

My friend,
By simply asking the question, you are treading upon the very anti-establishmentarianist ground that caused Rabbi Y'Shua to be executed in the first place.
Of course he was, by today's standards, a socialist.

Son Of Man · #16 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazan

...His focus was on salvation - your soul is more important than anything you can posses in this world

Rabbi Y'Shua was no soul saver, as it is understood by our society. He was a deeply spiritual political activist on the order of Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr.
This concept of "salvation" through "Jesus," as it pertains to your place in the afterlife is a later concoction.

Son Of Man · #17 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Whaler17

Not so clearly! Your quote shows that a group with common interests shared their wealth. This is vastly different than an entire nation. This look much more like advocating charity within your community than building some sort of socialist government.

Rich people, as the bible describes them, are people who love money more than God or people.

Clearly teachings concerning personal charity and not collective governmental charity!

Again this shows that God showed an ideal society as one who shared with glad and sincere hearts. That is not a government that forces wealth distribution on its citizens.

These passages also advocate a religious based socity in which biblical teachings are essentially law. Are you comfortable with that?

You are mistaken on each point.
To understand the underpinnings of the teachings of Rabbi Y'Shua and the "acts" of his very earliest followers (who were not "Christians," but Jews), you would have to have studied the Torah. Then you would see that the society that YHWH instructed Moshe to establish, and the way he was to order it, was not a capitalist one, but a socialist one. These "Acts" are the actions of a people who are attempting to return their society back to the way it was ordered before the diaspora.
It is however, not the exact form of socialism that frightens Conservatives and Libertarians, so they tend not to recognize it.

Whaler17 · #18 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Son Of Man

You are mistaken on each point.
To understand the underpinnings of the teachings of Rabbi Y'Shua and the "acts" of his very earliest followers (who were not "Christians," but Jews), you would have to have studied the Torah. Then you would see that the society that YHWH instructed Moshe to establish, and the way he was to order it, was not a capitalist one, but a socialist one. These "Acts" are the actions of a people who are attempting to return their society back to the way it was ordered before the diaspora.
It is however, not the exact form of socialism that frightens Conservatives and Libertarians, so they tend not to recognize it.

Socialism by todays standards, is a government that forces wealth distribution on its citizens. There is no evidence of support for that in ANY of the passages quoted.

Whaler17 · #19 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by catzmeow

You have failed to distinguish the differences between socialism and communalism. Jesus Christ was the FIRST proponent of a wall of separation between church and state. The church was to live communally, the state is secular, and god created it to provide stability.

Key differences. i can provide scripture references if you would like, but do you really care? Or are you just trying to rile up the Christians?

The old testament actually provides the underlying principle of free will, which asserts that God has given man the discretion to accept or reject him. This gives rise to the separation of church and state notion.

hairymarx · #20 (**permalink**) 05-13-2008, 01:25 PM

There is actually no evidence that Jesus existed and the bible is full of contradictions.

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