Well thats a great Marxist arguement. Ever experience gravity?

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And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

Im talking about Socialism in its most simple form....Essentially people sharing everything out of kindness and a desire to help each other. Yes im NOT talking about anyone being forced to do anything by a government, I agree that Jesus would be against that.

I also dont think Jesus would be opposed to Capitalism outright. I actually stated in this very thread that I think Jesus would support a mixed system, similar to what we already have but probably a bit more socialist. In other words, I dont think he would be happy with the Paris Hilton or the "MTV Super Sweet 16" people running around acting like spoiled brats because they have an unlimited supply of money. I dont think he would support these corporate CEO's who have millions or even billions in the bank and pay some of their employees minimum wage.

But I DO think that Christ would support the ability of a human being to go out and do what they want with their life, which is available with a Capitalist system. I absolutely agree with that 100%. The flip side of that is I think he would want us taking care of the people on the lowest part of our economic ladder a lot better than we currently do.

Thats why I said that I feel he isnt really either Conservative OR Liberal. He has characteristics of both. I absolutely 100% feel that he would support universal health care....Even if its not in the best interests of the nation economically, Christ wasn't an economist lol. I also believe that Christ would be opposed to war since he was more or less a pacifist. However on the flip side of things he was very Conservative in a lot of his moral values. I think he would probably be opposed to gay marriage, he wouldn't be happy with the porn and "smut" (couldnt think of another word) that is all over the place in our society, and naturally on a lot of these religious issues he probably WOULD advocate having religion play a major role in Government, and having it being a basis for many of our laws.

So I dont really think that either side can "claim" Jesus lol. He was a complex man and im just kind of basing my opinions on different historical data as well as assumptions. It was a much different world back when he was around, and who's to say that some of his views couldn't have changed??

Its fun to talk about though.

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Then, you're talking about the naivete of an impossible contradiction. Socialism has nothing to do with "people sharing out of kindness and desire to help each other." Socialism cannot exist by such volunteerism or free will. You might as well be thinking the masses would voluntarily over pay their income taxes if they thought the government needed more.

No.........freedom of choice or sense of "kindness" cannot be trusted to bring people to do the right thing. That's why Socialism must be administered and enforced by a powerful ruler by somewhat fascist means in order for uniformity and equality to prevail.

Do you think we can allow freedom of choice for Social Security? Gay rights? Medicare? Unlimited abortion? Affirmative action? Universal healthcare? Just what "freedom" do you think will provide ANY needed policy designed for the control over the individual's self interest for the benefit for society as a whole?

Get over your false images of free will and liberty. We live in a socialistic society that is maturing into a global society. Support your local and national Democratic Party leaders. Whims of individuals and ownership of property simply cannot be tolerated any longer if we are to reach the pinnacle of Progressivism we are well on course to achieve.

Sadly in real life thats all socialism is. A attempt at a perfect society (exept for those who try) which always leads to (*)(*)(*)(*). ALWAYS

^^ see very forceful, very cruel and very evil. Socialism is the worst attempt at 'the right thing' ever.

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Firstly, you falsely suggest that socialism necessarily means a return to pre-historical society. Then you claim that you are well aware of the arguments surrounding Marxism. Clearly then, your first misconception negates your claim of attributing any kind of authority to your latter claim. The reality is, is that capitalists do in fact horde food as a means of speculation. Speculation in staple foodstuffs, like speculation in property, like speculation in the money markets, is an inherent feature of capitalism, or maybe you just never noticed. Yes, the capitalist system is typified by the constant drive for profitable accumulation - well done. As I was at pains to point out, this doesn't mean that people are inherently greedy. I'll repeat it, just for your benefit, as it obviously still hasn't sunk into your brain. During the vast majority of time that we have spent on this planet, we survived as a result of collective and cooperative activity (130,000 years as compared to 10,000 years of class society). This means that human nature is not characterized by greed as you claim but rather it is the capitalist system itself which pre-determines the greed of some. I am clearly wasting my time communicating with you as you fail to comprehend simple logic.

what's up with so many boring threads involving Jesus and Socialism?! Is this an attempt to dupe us conservatives to support something we know as evil, anti-american, unhealthy, destructive, terrorist-kissing system known as socialism?..

Socialism is a neo-communist ideology, a softcore version of communism, an obscure idea based on the books of Karl Marx- the founder of the Communist ideology.

stop mentioning Jesus on the socialist subject because as far as I know, socialists are pure atheists, religion-hating, Jesus-bashing bastards...

the funny part is that being conservative doesn't mean you're a religious person........waste of time..anyways...

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Communism/Socialism is similar to legalizing burglary and murder!

Nobody is forcing you to participate in this thread. If you don't like the subject matter simply go elsewhere.

Personally, I find the funny part to be that socialist doesn't mean you're an anti-religious person.

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120,000 years of (*)(*)(*)(*)ty hell then 10,000 of dramatic improvement.. okay.

Cavemen who worked together still tried to steal each others women, food and dino bones.

Money makes the world go around not love you fail to realise this. Barely anybody is going to be happy working for mankind. You and 3-4 other people on this forum might have a jolly good time but the rest of us wont! People need motivation to work and being happy super lovey dovey friends isn't it. It's cash its a hot car its giving your kids a good education its a fancy suit and a slick hairdo. That is what motivates people, big shiny rewards. Stop promoting this ridiculous idea and NEVER force this crap on anybody else. (exept yourself go ahead and waste your life is you like)

Also try look into the difference between a class system and capitalism.

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This is a logical fallacy, the argument from fallacy. Try using logical claims at the very least if that is not beyond Marxists. Socialism is return to a prehistorical economic order, the classless cooperative egalitarian system.

If you can name one person who has horded food as a means of speculation, then please share.

Then why did people leave a classless society?

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