Simply because justice is supposed to be fair, and that doesn't occur when one side can drown out the opposition with money. Its a civic right, fair representation in court, so it shouldn't be on the market. It benefits all law abiding people that court is an even playing ground, and that their are as few financial reasons not to go to court when you are in the right. Additionally-

-It would fight inflation, as all those lawyers generally not doing much for their money drives down the worth of a currency, unless you can fashion something useful out of frivilous lawsuits.
-Frees up smart people from wasting their lives on the burgeoning industry of lawyership- more doctors over lawyers can only be a good thing imo.

Don't get me wrong, payed well sure, and maybe some incentive thrown in to do well, but not the limitless over-priceness currently available. The market idea that more lawyers should drive the prices down seems to fail here, seeing as they can continue to get more and more money from the system, and expect to be highly paid.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/ - I don't know if this supports my argument just...wow.

I think the idea is that everybody should be represented in court. We have that. Equally is another deal in a court only facts, evidence, testimonials and so on are supposed to be taken into account. Not charisma or charm. Even though it might lawyers have just as much right as anybody else to get paid for there work.

Lawyers are representation and there a very important part of the legal process without them it would just be you and a judge and that wouldn't be pretty. Lawyers are a crucial factor for when you want to be protected from the law. The vast majority of people will one day rely on one for protection.

Lawyers are also extremely hard workers in my state they require the highest tertiary entrance rank of all a 98 a doctor is only 96. In the system were you get paid for hard work lawyers are the ones who deserve to be paid more the most. If a lawyer provides a better service he dam well deserves better pay. Also i don't think the line can be pushed that much if there isn't much evidence against you and you've got a fair amount of reasonable doubt pretty much any qualified lawyer could get you out.

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Collective? I'm sure thats easy when your not surrounded by a bunch of (*)(*)(*)(*)ing retards!!!

I'm not saying that its not an important job, or that they shouldn't be paid well. But in its current form its producing its own problems, and justice is not being served. This is not something that should be on the market, because you get back to the usual problem of one side being better equipped than the other.

When I say they don't work for the reward they get, compared to the goofd that they do society, especially as they often do harm, the amount they've got delivered to them is staggeringly unfair. Don't forget that that entrance mark you mention is designated by the competition to enter the course, which is inturn largely driven by the amount of money availble to it- it is a sign of the systemin crisis, when a lawyer is better paid than a doctor, especially as so much of that money is derived form useless things- like unjust outcomes won mainly by money, or those frivilous lawsuits I mentioned.

Don't think its having an effect, driving the best lawyers into the hands of only the wealthy, whereas the poor must do witrh the worst, or the fewer times when they get pro-bono to massage a conscience or two? Exxon-Mobile have held up substatial payment for the Exxon Valdez disaster for 19 years- the victums are dieing of old age for god's sake- you don't think tahst a case of justice fighting money?

There are somethings you don't want tied too much to money- emergency works should be rewarded well and honoured, but should they be privatised so that only teh rich get the bvest protection( thougfh I'm thinking thats already happening some? Bottom line is, the current system is not equal- and justice should not be bought.

For a solution i wouldn't turn to the lawyers id turn to the court they play in.

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Collective? I'm sure thats easy when your not surrounded by a bunch of (*)(*)(*)(*)ing retards!!!

Who exactly would want to go through all the schooling to be a lawyer, if Mother Government is just going to put a stranglehold on how much they can make?

Then again...socialists don't fret over such things.

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Partly sure, but then they'd have influence over any reform I'd think.

A limit, not a stranglehold. And its not 'Mother Government' its the people, especially when its at this stage of just talking about it.

You know if you 'd care to address the concerns that lead to the post, instead of just deciding you've found the one unasaleble point and proceed to generalisation, we could have alot more productive converstaions.

Equality under the law is not an economic issue, or at least not one that economics should govern.

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So what do we do Jeff? How do you get enough lawyers, but not too many, and not have them stratified as now?

That's what the old Soviet Union used to say too.

Restricting what I should say now? Don't like the point I bring up, so you dismiss it? How very "democrat" of you. Perhaps this paragraph represents a microcosm of your entire perspective. Allow debate, only if it fits YOUR parameters.

Hate to break it to you, but lawyers are lawyers because they want to be rich. They assume tens of thousands of dollars of debt, through schooling, so that they can make hundreds of thousands of dollars. Here's a radical concept...who said lawyers were a "right" for people? I've lived 37 years and I've never needed a lawyer. Defendants have the ability to represent themselves in court. Lawyers are NOT "mandatory," therefore they are completely subject to the laws of "supply and demand." Don't like how much they make? Then don't put yourself in a position of needing one.

Or go back to school, and be a lawyer yourself if you're so darn jealous of how much they make.

P.S. Speaking of schooling...spelling is a virtue.

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"I should be calling collect from jail for the things I commit each night in my head" - D. Mustaine.

Its also whats said in all democracies, of which you are one, unlike Soviet Russia. But then your side of politics has for a long time been merging the issues of repressive governments to turn people against their own democracy- quite a profitable tactic.

Funny, I was thinking you were the one limiting discussion. It annoys me you didn't even try to respond to all the issues, or indeed any- after all I said they would be paid well- ie. it would be an attractive proffession based on income. And yes debate to my parameters, not the draconian ones you'd envisage for me, but debate thats intended to deepen understanding of issues and of people.

How depressing. The people deeply enmeshed with providing justice are in it for the obscene amounts of money. And then they become judges. Great. Not all are greedy though, and in a saner system where the money is good but not obscene, I think we'd get by.

Oh I'm sure someone did. And actually yeah you are entitled to a lawyer, atleast during questioning and I believe in court too- court appointed ones.

An amusing argument though, you really think that that system will be just? A regular person representing themselves in perhaps some obscure bit of legislation, that the lawyer(s) opposite could very well have helped write? Hah, what a joke. Do you not care about eqaulity under the law?

"Don't put yourself in a position to need one?" Do I really need to point out to you that some people are wronged through no fault of their own, and should/must then go to court? Don't waste my time pointing out to you simple steps in logic, and you can not waste yours pointing out simple spelling mistakes.

...although 'converstaions' is painful to read. Whats wrong with 'generalisations'? We spell it with an 's' down here btw.