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We didn't negotiate with Japan and Germany. We forced their total surrender and then told them how to get their act straight. The same is necessary here. There is as much point to negotiating with the muslims as hitler, less reason. They aren't going to reform their evil religion because we kiss their ass but because we kick their ass.

How do you plan to kick "Islam's ass", since there are a billion Muslims worldwide? Do you know any Muslims personally or do you just get you idea from some extremist right-wing organization? I've grown up around Muslims and I can tell you first hand they are great people and great Americans. I will admit that I have been approached by Muslims on campus and on the streets trying to question my religious beliefs but I've been approached by other Christian Denominations trying to do the same (I'm Catholic btw).

My worst experience was of such an encounter was with a group of Christian Extremist that asked if I was Catholic and then state that I was going to hell and that I couldn't be saved b/c I was Catholic.
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Lots of ways to kick ass, many of which we are doing. We could do a lot more if the democrats would stop serving as the islamoterrorists representatives and propaganda wing. I have known muslims. I noticed their inclination to get quite aggressive if you don't validate their stupid religion, even before 9.11 though at that point I didn't care really. Its very, very easy to provoke these peaceful muslims to violence though, clearly- a few words and they are ready to fight and kill, like animals.

But, generally they don't cause much trouble in countries where they aren't much more than 1% of the population:

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Art...2-75683AEED74D

What Islam Isn't
By Dr. Peter Hammond
FrontPageMagazine.com

The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. – Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.
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Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

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I think that a change must come from a Muslim. If you want things to change you need to put moderate Muslims in power or support moderate Muslims especially many charities and political organizations run by Muslim-Americans. It is no small secret that the most of the Muslim live within this country are moderate because this country was founded on free expression and freedom of religion, no one here tries to oppress them. People and the culture of this country are a direct reflection of this and many constitutional amendments. I think the U.S. can become a place where moderate Muslim can exchange ideas and make positive change in the Islamic world.
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Lots of ways to kick ass, many of which we are doing. We could do a lot more if the democrats would stop serving as the islamoterrorists representatives and propaganda wing. I have known muslims. I noticed their inclination to get quite aggressive if you don't validate their stupid religion, even before 9.11 though at that point I didn't care really. Its very, very easy to provoke these peaceful muslims to violence though, clearly- a few words and they are ready to fight and kill, like animals.

But, generally they don't cause much trouble in countries where they aren't much more than 1% of the population:

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Art...2-75683AEED74D

What Islam Isn't
By Dr. Peter Hammond
FrontPageMagazine.com

The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.'

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to 'the reasonable' Muslim demands for their 'religious rights,' they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. – Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.
Halal meat is really good and delicious, there is halal deli and store about 5 minutes from my house. The Owners is paki but the workers are all Latino and Asian. Heck the Pakistani owner talks to my mom (she speaks English with an accent) in Spanish. In the U.S. many Muslims are quite successful and own small businesses, they are anything but ghetto.
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There is no such thing as a moderate muslim. islam itself is radical and anyone that follows it is therefore a radical. islam is not different just because people move inside the USA. They lay lower because they don't have the numbers. But, if you followed their evil, you would see that they ARE beginning to cause problems in greater numbers since 9.11 as their numbers are growing here!

islam must be totally defeated. Only then could it possibly be reformed.
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My area is around less than 10% Muslim BTW...I don't run into any problems with any of the 10%.
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You mean YET.

Its the overall population of the country that matters because when they are less than 1% they know resistance will be brought from outside the local area if they overstep their place. This is a well developed strategy of the muslims. When their percentage gets to 2% the real trouble will begin and they will no longer back down to any authority but cause as much trouble as they can. Its happening all over Europe. What they are doing to the French is unbelievable- roving packs of muslims running around raping French women, riots, murders, thefts, etc all while they openly call for the destruction/islamization of France.

islam is evil!
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Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

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There is no such thing as a moderate muslim. islam itself is radical and anyone that follows it is therefore a radical. islam is not different just because people move inside the USA. They lay lower because they don't have the numbers. But, if you followed their evil, you would see that they ARE beginning to cause problems in greater numbers since 9.11 as their numbers are growing here!

islam must be totally defeated. Only then could it possibly be reformed.
So, in your world, American citizens who happen to be muslim would be deported, purely on the basis of their religious views? And yet you consider yourself an advocate of free speech?

That seems fairly hypocritical. Or, perhaps even rabidly.
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So, in your world, American citizens who happen to be muslim would be deported, purely on the basis of their religious views? And yet you consider yourself an advocate of free speech? That seems fairly hypocritical. Or, perhaps even rabidly.
I'm not sure it is so simple. But, no, I don't support the deportation of American citizens. Its good strategy of course but it sets an unacceptable precedent. I think stopping all muslim immigration and expelling all non-citizens would do the trick fine for now. Still, islam in its own written word states a vision incompatible with the West so it does make some sense that they should be forced to chose one or the other. I know it sounds unWestern and I agree which is why I am not ready to go there, but islam's nature makes it an exception, something that is not ever going to peacefully integrate in our culture. So, we face tough choices all the way around.
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I don't believe in tolerating criminal acts under the auspices of polygamy, either. I believe in prosecuting them, aggressively.

By the way, I like the idea of encouraging Islamic women to vote with their feet against repressive regimes--by fleeing.
Would you be willing to dedicate a bit of the military to helping them?

'Cause, y'know, that would be the America of my dreams.

Invasions? Screw invasions. Invasions are so 20th-century. The way to defeat people in this century when they tick you off is to go old-school and steal their women. But we do it peacefully and democratically, and just make it obvious that they (and their daughters) will be happier and safer here. Then they've got nothing but a bunch of guys sitting around, not having any sex ... and that's when our media comes in with whatever the modern equivalent of Baywatch is and an enormous mountain of porn (and they say California doesn't contribute to the war effort) and all the repressed fundamentalists are eating out of our hands.

Okay, slightly tongue-in-cheek there ... but you get what I'm saying. We have options between "CRUSH THE INFIDELS!" and "please don't hurt me" ... better options. Less deadly options. Fewer dead = more good.
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