eleanoraquitaine ,

I do understand the liberals on this matter, but this time they are dead wrong.
Because of what Hitler did to the Jews, the west if firmly against anyone singling
out people because of their religion.

So this makes for a very clever and well executed plan to dominate the world with
Islam. It is scary to me and I never would have dreamed this possible before 9/11
And so because of the way we are, it's going to be hard to open eyes, to awaken
people, But I hold on the the hope that America with it's small 1% Muslims will
be unaffected by all this but can watch Europe go through the worst Holocaust
ever seen by man in history.

Don't get me wrong, I don't wish bad on any country, but if Islam needs to be stoped
then I guess some countries have to be made examples for others to witness the
truth of Islam.

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I agree. I see the same future you describe, with the muslims rampaging through Europe and us having to come save the English and Europeans from being massacred and/or enslaved by the islamobarbarians. I also see another possibility with the Europeans and English realizing what is happening before it is too late and either expelling the muslims or I can see them trying to eradicate them. They have a history of doing it. I think the most likely scenario is America having to save their ass in Europe as they have grown weak and soft militarily, the liberal appeasement is very strong there, and the muslims are breeding like cockroaches and spreading like a plague.

Generally I am a liberal, more liberal in fact. I am a libertarian. But, I understand that islam is incompatible with any freedoms except the freedom to be muslim and thus it is necessary to defeat this utterly evil ideology at all costs to protect freedom, even do some things we would rather not do to win.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

listen to this bs. I am the first to say we need to vote for the best person for the country and back when Bill Richardson was running it could have been a DEM but when you get down to it all the DEMs have is sour old woman who is married to a terrible ex president and a Cocky young black guy that has no experience and preaches change while never explaining what change is. And it also bothers me to see how he never takes responsibility for his words or actions. Every time something bad happens he says i never heard it, and aid filled it out, or theyre attacking my religion. Mike Huckabee was questioned about his relegion as was Romney both feilded the questions with out complaint. What does Obama do he starts crying about how that has no bearing on the situation. Whether you christian , muslim, atheist or anything else religion plays a role in your actions. We need and want to know that as a country. i am the first to say that it is despicable to falsely call someone muslim and i am the first to correct anyone i hear saying this, but questioning his beliefs is completely fair. My point which i strayed from is that if anyone can say ignor the needs of the nation and the world and attack Bush i would like to say that you are a extremely misguided and ignorant person.

Equating the term 'progressive' with Bush has to be the oxymoron of all oxymorons - lol. This post is clearly designed to give oxygen to all the anti-muslim bigots and racists on this site. The vast majority of the bilge on this thread is based on lies, falsehoods, prejudice and anti-muslim propaganda, inflamed by a pro-Zionist and pro-neo-con US media.

that's where you're wrong. many of women here wouldn't support such freedom, and will stand against it. maybe a small pro-western part will support this, but that's obviously less than 5% of women's population in ME. this is a culture, not a force. you should live here to know that. (Iran is so different, I meant somewhere like Saudi Arabia.)

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Why does my heart cry? Feelings I can't fight...

Sure. The women WANT to be brutally oppressed.

Same old sexist bs, just coming from the islamobarbarians instead of conservatives and the new "liberals" are the old conservatives, siding against womens rights in favor of religious extremism- islam.

"Liberals" certainly are confused. They want to give barbarians the "right" to destroy civilization, the very thing that affords freedom.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

How do you know this? Aren't there significant social and safety risks to women speaking out and saying they want freedom?

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I'll get nicer when you get smarter.

Not if we're talking about his fiscal policy.

So the abuses of women under the veil of Islam is ok? Never mind teenage girls get stoned to death for being raped or the other numerous stories of abuse or murder by these monsters. Their treatment of women is revolting at best, and supporting people that behave this way makes you just as bad. Don't be an apologist, the lipstick smears.

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Denial. It's not just a river in a Middle Eastern nation.

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I'll get nicer when you get smarter.

Is anything being done here worse than what the Russians did?

I agree that it should be condemned: I condemn it.


This is partly what makes them our enemies.


But why do you isolate it to "progressives"? Bush holds hands with the leader of Saudi Arabia, begs him for more oil production, and these crimes against women are carried out there as often as anywhere.