In what manner was my statement a lie? The only declared war that Republicans have ever won was the Spanish american and from an adjusted dollar standpoint it was one of the cheapest in history.

http://members.aol.com/usregistry/allwars.htm#cst

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This may be true, but much of that history represents a time when liberalism actually had something to do with liberty.

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Good point. That basically nullifies the argument stated by this thread.

But beyond politics, there are some military realities we need to face.

1. Soldiers are good at killing other soldiers.
2. Soldiers are not good at policing occupied nations.
3. If you want to counter terrorism, carry out lots of small scale missions. (or use missiles /bombs)
4. If you want to counter global terrorism, don't occupy 1 country forever.
4. Empires fail because the cost of occupying foreign nations always outweighs the gain.
5. The US of A was founded as a republic, not a global Empire.

Why do some neo-cons confuse politics with military understanding?
Why can't we work across party lines more for the benefit of all Americans, rather than dividing the nation with trivial issues?

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Using missiles or bombs to counter terrorism is counter productive and ineffective (see cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan and Sudan in 199.

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Your original quote:
"you do realize that Republicans have only won one major conflict in history and it involved americans killing americans right?"
I believe you were talking about the Civil War in that case? And now you've added the Spanish American War in your second post and changed major conflict to declared war. Well, you forgot a few:

Civil War
Indian Wars
Spanish American War
Haiti - Operation Secure Tomorrow
Invasion of Panama
Invasion of Grenada
Persian Gulf War
Operation Earnest Will
Korean Expedition
Philippine American War

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I'm no dove, I'm a lifetime NRA member, I've never been afraid to fight but have always seen it as a last resort.

I supported going into Afghanistan, despite being very aware that the Soviets had a hell of a time and eventually had to pull out.

I oppose the Iraq debacle because it's stupid and a lie. Iraq posed no threat to the USA. In fact Belgium is a more realistic threat, that's how big a joke the situation is. Iraq had already been dismantled militarily in the 1st Gulf War and was under embargo and an aircap. They COULD NOT POSE A THREAT TO THE US. They had no involvement with 9/11. Reich Wingers, always refuse to answer the question of why we didn't go after this garbage where they come from or in other words Saudi nationals and trained more likely than not in Pakistan.

Please spare the fighting to spread democracy. First, freedom has to be desired and earned rather than imposed and secondly we blatantly ally ourselves with tyrants. Saddam was just fine when he was allowing his strings to be pulled, we even sent Charles Shultz over there when he was gassing the Kurds, using chemicals we sold to him, in the 80's who reported to us and the world that all was well. It was only after he threatened the oil supply that Bush I go after him and destroyed his military (was ranked 7th in the world at the time). Bush II, made him an example for going against the OPEC agreement to only trade oil for US dollars.

9/11, at best was probably a cynical "olay" move on our end, BushCo. likely allowed the attack to permit them to engage in the assault on America.
I wouldn't put an inside job past them, they prove DAILY, MONTHLY, and YEARLY that they will do anything and tell any lie to maintain power.

You view US wars as either Republican or Democratic wars?

What a real patriot you are.

Uhg! Geez it's been 5 years since we went into Iraq and I've yet to see any proof of lies.

I do know almost the entire world thought Saddam had WMD. I do know Bill Clinton spent 8 years telling us Saddam had WMD (in 1998 bombed Iraq over it) and was a big threat, and I do know Hillary, Joe Bidon, and other Dems voted to go to war.

What a joke.

What would an internet message board be without a statement like that? LOL! How does that tinfoil hat fit ya?

Typical liberal responce. Criminals will always be able to get guns and even if you manage to abolish all guns they will enter your home with a knife or whatever they can use.

Why are you taking away a weapon that might stop someone from being murdered or raped?