And what makes it even more complex is that my ancestors were poor and never owned slaves, yet since I am from the south, I am considered one of the decendants of the evil slave owners. That is a stereotype that is at least as meritless as any stereotype about black Americans!

I get this. I've spent the last 17 years working in inner city communities with gang members. But, when JMS makes comments about asking for forgiveness, I can't help but think that such comments are out of touch with reality. No one is a stauncher defender of tolerance and equality than me, and I am a fierce advocate in real life of ensuring that kids of color have the same opportunities, especially at school, as everyone else.

But for some, that apparently isn't enough. That's the part I don't get. I understand that the black community was damaged by slavery. In fact, one of the reasons that I so oppose illegal immigration is that it is eroding the economic strides that poor blacks have made in many communities in the job market and flooding already struggling inner city schools. But, while I see what needs to be fixed, and I totally get the anger and everything else, I sometimes get tired of always having to prove that I'm not a racist, just because I'm white.

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Really, and that solution would be what?

Really, (*)(*)(*)(*) somebody forgot to tell us. Why is it that Black males have the lowest enrollement rate in college? If we were given favoritism wouldn't our numbers be through the roof. Oh I am sorry you were talking about the football and basketball teams.

Look at any major corporation in this country and who are the top 2 people in the company? Why is it that black males still make far less than their counterparts in coporate America if we have been given ALL this favor.

What are all the race based charities and exclusive race groups we have?

[quote] Even acknowledgement that white America has made concessions and has changed is almost impossible to get from black individuals or groups.[quote]

Just curious what are all these concessions and changes?

Really, so in other words the MAJORITY sat by and did nothing while the MINORITY committed all the atrocites. So the minority was the ones that made this stuff the LAW of the land.

Please don't bring religion in this argument, if this was truly a CHRISTIAN NATION these atrocities would have never occured.

This post is like Hitler telling the Jews, I know some of us did you wrong, but just forget about it and move on.


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People of power have NO good will and people of good will have NO power.

If you think Education is Expensive try Ignorance.

This seems a lot more like Germany telling the Jews, I know some of us did you wrong, but just forget about it and move on. Does that sound too unreasonable to you? If you think about it, there are no former slave-owners still alive, they would be like Hitler because he was the one who committed the crimes, not like the decedents of those who committed crimes. No one can be punished for crimes that did not commit, and favoring that for your own self interest is disgusting.

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"It is extremely difficult for our contemporaries to conceive of the conditions of free banking because they take government interference with banking for granted and as necessary"

-- Ludwig von Mises

Well the Germans didn't say that. They have to pay the Jews until the year 2020.

Really, how about those who lynched Black Folks during the Jim Crow segregation years? Some of those men are still alive, so do you think they should be brought to the Bar of Justice or should we just say, "ah that happened a few years back just forget about it."

BTW sorry but Hitler didn't kill all the Jewish people that were murdered he just gave the orders, which means somebody else carried them out. Yes and those murderers that are still alive are still being hunted down.

Sorry, but [b]JUSTICE NEVER SLEEPS[b], and what is disgusting is how many try to write it off that Black Folks only suffered during slavery, but things we so much batter after that.


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People of power have NO good will and people of good will have NO power.

If you think Education is Expensive try Ignorance.

Yes they should be punished.

Still being hunted.

Those that were slave owners are being punished, and will be for eternity. Those that harmed others unjustly should be brought to justice.

Now what has happened to you?

Years ago I had a long talk with my brothers wife's father. He shaped a lot of my views. He sees things in much the same way as I. He did live through segregation. Was affected by it.

When I asked why he is not still angry about it he said. "Things have changed and are still changing. They would change faster if we would remember, but move on. I refuse to let what someone else did define who I am, or what I do. I rose above it, and live my life."

Ok. We agree on that.



Excuse me, sought after.



Ok.

Uh, I grew up when you couldn't go downtown and sit on a park bench. When you had to sit up in the balconey at the movies. Should I go on?

Ok good for him, but it doesn't change the fact of the matter of what happened. Everyone is not the same. The Holocaust don't effect all Jewish people the same way, some are stronger than others. I am pretty happy with my life and it didn't define me either, but it doesn't change the fact of the matter whether it changed me or not.

So your point would be what?


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People of power have NO good will and people of good will have NO power.

If you think Education is Expensive try Ignorance.

You do realize that there is a black man running for president, right? That easily defeats every accusation and argument that you have. White men run the corporations? Well a black man could run the country. You have NO argument.

Like many on here have done in the past, don't forget he is only HALF Black.

How so, if Sen. Obama is elected president that means that racism is no more? Think again.

Tell us something we don't know.

Yep and I could hit the Lottery.

You make no sense.


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People of power have NO good will and people of good will have NO power.

If you think Education is Expensive try Ignorance.

No I was agreeing with you while pointing out that there are people trying to bring them to justice, and hunted is the correct word.


If that makes you feel better sure.



Well I am sorry. But it seems as if it did define you.

Have any of them actually had a shot at it in the past? And why do you bring up the fact that he is half black? He is still black and has a shot. That does say something about it.

So there are no black CEOs? There are no blacks in places of power in the US?



Apples and oranges man.



Nor does much of what is said on this board.