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The way I see the race game (and yes it has degenerated into a game in the U.S.), the black church in America hold the lone solution to the problem. Whaite America has allowed black favoristim in college admissions, job promotions, has allowed race based charities and accepted race exclusive groups both inside and outside the workplace (so long as the race exclusive group is not caucasian), but there has bbeen precious little concession on the flip side of the issue. Even acknowledgement that white America has made concessions and has changed is almost impossible to get from black individuals or groups.

The bottom line is that a relatively small portion of white America did some attrocious things to many blacks in the past, and the only way we as a nation will likely ever get past it is for black churches to live up to the teachings of their own religion and forgive. This has the potential to stop the game that is currently being played with the issue, and make real progress!!!

Even Obama is playing the game by pandering to and banking on race based support!
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So only 40 years of truly being free (voting) and maybe 25 years after being allowed to get into the higher echelons of society, Black people are just meant to forget and move on? I'm sorry if I was Black I would be mad. It's human nature that it will at last take like 3-5 generations until the group truly gets over the trauma of Slavery. You also need to take into account that the Civil War was in 1865 and it wasn't until 1965 that they were giving voting rights.
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So only 40 years of truly being free (voting) and maybe 25 years after being allowed to get into the higher echelons of society, Black people are just meant to forget and move on? I'm sorry if I was Black I would be mad. It's human nature that it will at last take like 3-5 generations until the group truly gets over the trauma of Slavery. You also need to take into account that the Civil War was in 1865 and it wasn't until 1965 that they were giving voting rights.

Show me where he said they should forget. He said forgive.

Big difference there spanky!
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Interesting in concept, complex in practice. For what am I to ask forgiveness? Of whom? Every black person I meet? Should my first introduction upon making the acquaintance of a new black person who doesn't already know me include, "I'm michelle, and I'm sorry for the crimes of my ancestors, who probably owned slaves." Wouldn't that be a bit awkward?
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It's not so much an issue of forgiving as of setting things right.
For the most part no one is expecting that white people owe an apology. The concern is that years of foul treatment has left their communities in shambles.

If you don't recognize that motivation, you will get nowhere.
Simplifying it down to "forgiveness" will only come off as insulting.
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So only 40 years of truly being free (voting) and maybe 25 years after being allowed to get into the higher echelons of society, Black people are just meant to forget and move on? I'm sorry if I was Black I would be mad. It's human nature that it will at last take like 3-5 generations until the group truly gets over the trauma of Slavery. You also need to take into account that the Civil War was in 1865 and it wasn't until 1965 that they were giving voting rights.
Well they need to start getting over it if they truly want things to change. You are looking at this solely from the viewpoint of blacks. How long will whites support pushing change initiatives forward while those who they are benefitting are not even acknowledging that there is an effort being made!

Holding grudges and harboring animosity for something you yourself have never experienced is very regressive to the the people harboring the ill will.
They should "get over it" for their own good, as Christianity teaches, you forgive others for the benefit it provides your own soul!

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It's not so much an issue of forgiving as of setting things right.
For the most part no one is expecting that white people owe an apology. The concern is that years of foul treatment has left their communities in shambles.

If you don't recognize that motivation, you will get nowhere.
Simplifying it down to "forgiveness" will only come off as insulting.
I disagree! It is an issue of forgiving! Too many are blaming all the ills of their lives on something that happened decades ago. White abuse of blacks contributed to their communities deteriorating, but in recent decades, they have a lot of blame to accept themselves.

In the end, nobody can help you if you will not help yourself!

I have been too broad and general here and I realize that. There are many sucess stories in black America, but the common thread between all of them is personal effort!!!
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lol @ this

As an African American, I don't want your apology. You didn't do anything so why should you suffer for the failures that are your ancestry? See here's the thing...

Quit looking at some civil rights leader and assuming we all feel the same way. The number of "Black People this" and "The Black Community that" threads I've seen are astounding, and quite sad when considering the irony of those who do not wish to be generalised into an extreme minority. We're not asking for apologies... but some black certainly aren't pleased. You have to remember that with the end of Slavery came little to no compensation... which will inevitably lead to a cycle of poor practice to include living, attitudes, etc. I've quit acting as if the whites of today are the problem... and you should quit acting as if we stood on equal ground once equal rights were put into place.

There is such thing as a head start, and some are still trying to get their pants on.
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lol @ this

As an African American, I don't want your apology. You didn't do anything so why should you suffer for the failures that are your ancestry? See here's the thing...

Quit looking at some civil rights leader and assuming we all feel the same way. The number of "Black People this" and "The Black Community that" threads I've seen are astounding, and quite sad when considering the irony of those who do not wish to be generalised into an extreme minority. We're not asking for apologies... but some black certainly aren't pleased. You have to remember that with the end of Slavery came little to no compensation... which will inevitably lead to a cycle of poor practice to include living, attitudes, etc. I've quit acting as if the whites of today are the problem... and you should quit acting as if we stood on equal ground once equal rights were put into place.

There is such thing as a head start, and some are still trying to get their pants on.
AMEN!

This is certainly refreshing!
I am tired of the Democratic party trying to herd all black Americans into a corner and indoctrinate them into voting as a block for the Dims.

Black America should be as free as white, asian, latino, or any other subset of the population to vote as they, the individual, see fit.

I am happy to see your post and I appluad you stepping up and refusing to be lead around by the nose ring by Democrats!

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