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Franklin D. Roosevelt 5 17.24%
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Default Who Was the Most Fascist Person in American History

They don't have to be a president, or even a public official. Any major figure in American politics will do.




Huey Long- Governor of Louisiana, US senator, Democrat, radical populist, and textbook fascist.

-Fascist accomplishments
  1. His "Share the Wealth" policy
  2. Near dictatorial rule of Louisiana
  3. Elimination of organized political opposition
  4. Major public works projects.
  5. Increased the power of the governorship in Louisiana.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_Long

Franklin D. Roosevelt- Four term President of the US, Commander in Chief during WWII, and major social reformer.

-Fascist accomplishments
  1. The First New Deal
  2. The Second New Deal
  3. All government agencies associated with the New Deals (i.e. the alphabet soup)
  4. His return to "war socialism" of Wilson's presidency.
  5. Domestic spying and political repression.
  6. Increased the power of government more than anyone who came before him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FDR

George W. Bush- Current President of the US, Commander in Chief of the War in Iraq.

-Fascist accomplishments
  1. The Patriot Act
  2. No Child Left Behind
  3. The War in Iraq
  4. Increased the power of government

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

Woodrow Wilson- President of the US, Commander in Chief during WWI, social reformer, and proponent of the "New Nationalism"

-Fascist accomplishments
  1. War Industries Board
  2. War Socialism
  3. New Nationalism
  4. Federal Reserve
  5. Domestic political oppression
  6. Increased the power of government

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson

William Jennings Bryan- Secretary of State under Wilson, presidential candidate in 1896, 1900, and 1908, populist leader, and religious fundamentalist.

-Fascist accomplishments
  1. Campaigned for prohibition
  2. Siverite leader
  3. Served the prosecution in the "Scopes Monkey trial"
  4. Worked for Wilson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Jennings_Bryan

Ronald Reagan- President of the US, leader during the Cold War

-Fascist Accomplishments
  1. Repression of air traffic controllers strike
  2. Increase in government spending
  3. Increase in military spending

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan

Other- Please explain why they are more of a fascist than these and please list their "fascist accomplishments"
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I would say George Rockwell was the most fascist person in American history, followed by his followers.

Huey Long is probably the most fascist of all, he would've made Caesar proud.......
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I feel this post is a bit misleading since even experts cannot agree on what fascism is exactly. I understand the basics of the definition, but its really hard to pinpoint one figure in american history that has promoted a strong-man government through military force and pushed a one-party state. Not to mention that National Socialism is based off of ideological nationalism that uses social darwinism and racism to promote one's own power.

I think its a bit of a cop-out to target fascism so directly when its a very complex and misunderstood form of government that people associate with "evil." Not that Hitler wasn't a very twisted, sick meglomaniac that is at fault for the deaths of millions of people, but some people don't differentiate between fascism and Hitler.

I will say that the most facist people were the people and corporations who wanted to overthrow FDR through a coup in 1930 lead by the General Smedley Butler and install a Fascist strong man.
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I feel this post is a bit misleading since even experts cannot agree on what fascism is exactly. I understand the basics of the definition, but its really hard to pinpoint one figure in american history that has promoted a strong-man government through military force and pushed a one-party state. Not to mention that National Socialism is based off of ideological nationalism that uses social darwinism and racism to promote one's own power.
I included a range of people that I thought would comply with several different definitions. However, Huey Long and FDR are generally seen as the most fascist, fitting the definition of National Socialism with everything except the racism, including a one man strong government based off of military force while pushing a one-party state.

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I think its a bit of a cop-out to target fascism so directly when its a very complex and misunderstood form of government that people associate with "evil." Not that Hitler wasn't a very twisted, sick meglomaniac that is at fault for the deaths of millions of people, but some people don't differentiate between fascism and Hitler.
People who cannot distinguish should vote for Huey Long.

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I will say that the most facist people were the people and corporations who wanted to overthrow FDR through a coup in 1930 lead by the General Smedley Butler and install a Fascist strong man.
Also know that most people consider FDR to be the most fascist president in history, even if other fascists were trying to put themselves on the top.
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1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4.) Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5.) Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6.) Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7.) Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9.) Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10.) Labor power is suppressed.

11.) Disdain for intellectuals and the arts.

12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment

13.) Rampant cronyism and corruption

14.) Fraudulent elections

See Project for the OLD American Century;
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Wind, I agree with your points being fascist, and that Bush is guilty of them. But that doesn't mean that Bush is the most fascist. I included him because I knew liberals would protest if I didn't, but everyone needs to know that everyone on this list except for Reagan is guilty of taking those to the highest extent. Anyone who has read about FDR or Wilson knows that Bush is relatively tame.
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Wind, I agree with your points being fascist, and that Bush is guilty of them. But that doesn't mean that Bush is the most fascist. I included him because I knew liberals would protest if I didn't, but everyone needs to know that everyone on this list except for Reagan is guilty of taking those to the highest extent. Anyone who has read about FDR or Wilson knows that Bush is relatively tame.
I haven't studied history in a long time. I wish I could take a class now-

I wasn't alive during Roosevelt and Wilson. Roosevelt was responsible for social security-- a good thing IMO and Wilson for the UN-- another positive accomplishment.

What accomplishment will history praise George W Bush for? I think it will be the beginning of the end of democracy and the fall of the American Empire.
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I wasn't alive during Roosevelt and Wilson. Roosevelt was responsible for social security-- a good thing IMO and Wilson for the UN-- another positive accomplishment.
While the debate over whether or not those are "good" or not is still open, social security is undeniably fascist (the UN is internationalist instead of nationalist, so it is not). Wilson and FDR are responsible for massive domestic political repression, including physical attacks on isolationists, Communists, and Nazis, the internment of the Japanese and discrimination against Germans, the War Industries Board and the NRA, American involvement in two world wars, and programs of massive, and possibly irreversible, government expansion.

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What accomplishment will history praise George W Bush for? I think it will be the beginning of the end of democracy and the fall of the American Empire.
If people remember him at all, it will probably be for leading us through 9/11.
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While the debate over whether or not those are "good" or not is still open, social security is undeniably fascist (the UN is internationalist instead of nationalist, so it is not). Wilson and FDR are responsible for massive domestic political repression, including physical attacks on isolationists, Communists, and Nazis, the internment of the Japanese and discrimination against Germans, the War Industries Board and the NRA, American involvement in two world wars, and programs of massive, and possibly irreversible, government expansion.



If people remember him at all, it will probably be for leading us through 9/11.
I think you might be misrepresenting FDR? I was under the impression that the progressive era was welcomed by both sides of the political spectrum. He leveled the playing field for workers without imposing on big business. The man was elected for four terms and was one of the best presidents in history who was loved by most the general populace, I don't know what minority would interpret being elected for four terms as being "bad" or "fascist." I think there's a huge difference between social security and fascism, doesn't fascism have to involve some sort of authoritarianism? I think the domestic spying thing is much more an issue today because over 70% believe the Iraq war is unjustified, as compared to WWII when we had an actual tangible threat from Hitler. People feel like Bush is taking their freedoms for no reason.

I think, as another poster suggested, you need to define fascism first.
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