I can recall him supporting global free trade and cutting the capital gains tax. You have to admit that he wasn't that bad, and that he is (was, really) more conservative than McCain.

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

Yes, it looks that way and moderates are merely leftists without the courage to commit... Congrats you know who you are now. It must be very comforting.

Well, I am certainly comforted by the fact I am not you.

ROFL... Stalin was more conservative than Obama, which is hardly the sort of news in which one would find a lot of comfort and it certainly doesn't make Stalin a US Conservative or something other than a leftist.

Bill Clinton will never be found in my 'Wasn't that bad' file. He was a DISASTER! Are you kidding me?

I expect that's true... you clearly aren't rigged for it; but don't feel bad, no leftist is... but hey... that's what makes you... YOU!

I take it by your definition 'Leftist' is a person against democracy and for totalitarianism. I am against Totalitarianism and find the idea of you connecting me with it repugnant towards your character. But, in time I hope you will understand I am not under your definition of 'Leftist'.

No, the hardcore Conservatives that you associate yourself with, that is, constitutionalists and the like, they did not want to commit troops in WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam, Iraq 1 and 2.

It's quite hard considering that everyone up here is Socialist, but I keep fighting

I agree, it's absurd that you cannot arm yourself over here, but I am not British......

*See above statement*


But the fact that our capitol's citizens remain unrepresented is disgraceful

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Agreed.

Most likely.

I see very little leftism in either.

If you're mentioning free trade, NAFTA has nothing to do with it. It's protectionism, and hurts the workers of all countries involved. As does GATT. These are my main gripes with Clinton.

I disagree. Socialism corresponds with the most humane and just manner in which to run a society. Furthermore any institution in which power is concentrated must be questioned, as these institutions are what cause repression.

Multinational corporations weild huge power, and are completely unnaccountable. I am a libertarian socialist because I believe in democracy, which should be extended throughout all institutions. You, however, would contend that a business is no place for democracy, and that is where we differ.

Socialism requires concentrated government power, which is adverse to the goals of libertarianism.

This is what you are doing:



It's a strawman if you can't tell.

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--Murray Rothbard

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

False... There is nothing in the US Constitution which would lead someone to conclude that defense of ones nation by aiding those attacking ones neighbors is something other than maintaining ones responsibilities inherent in ones rights. Those who believe otherwise are grossly misinformed.

Put'em on the phone... After I finish with them, they'll either set you on their shoulders, hail you as the one who turned them onto the mindset that freed them of their oppressive and long discredited ideology... OR... they tear you limb for limb, having declared you an enemy of 'the people.'



They're leftists... thus the rough intellectual equivalent of cattle... I wouldn't live there on a bet. I wouldn't live anywhere that prevented me from arming myself and if someone comes here to do it, they'll leave severely crippled in their best case scenario.

Well, The ideological left is a complete and total fraud, it's based upon nothing that is not an untenable myth and leaves nothing but catastrophe, calamity and chaos in its wake. It's their freakin' resume... They're one in the same, they are the Poster children of the whole leftist ideology~...