I have to agree with Publius here. If you ever feel that a label does not accurately describe you, then focus on that particular issue, or define yourself in your own terms. Labels help add some sort of order to politics, even if they are not entirely accurate most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

I actually voted Liberal by mistake, but I believe that I am more Moderate then Liberal. Every political survey called me moderate and I admit that my views are very conditional. So I believe I am moderate.

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Labels get abused too much, though. They become a tactic. Like this business lately where conservatives try to tell liberals what they're all about all the time.

Conservatives have a label for liberalism that isn't even remotely accurate, but when a liberal tries to a tell a conservative what he or she is about, the conservative retorts, "But that doesn't match the label I've fixed you with in my own head! If you're a liberal, you must be commie socialist child-molesting atheist hippy scum! No, I don't care what you're really like, this conversation ended for me the moment the word 'liberal' came into it!"

Once labels are used, the conversation is over. Because a label is just an excuse for the person using the label to stop listening. And once you're not listening, you're not in a conversation.

Liberals are loath to accept the label because they don't like what the concept, which THEY have forged, has become. When the Founding Fathers were liberals, the word was coveted. To be a liberal was to fight for freedom of all men. Today liberal means the exact opposite. Neo-liberals are oppressors, advocates of ever expanding government, not advocate of freedom.

Conservatives have one label and we wear it proudly. The left goes through them like crap through a goose. Once they adhere to a given label, Liberal, Fascist, Socialist, Communist, Moderate, independent, centrist, progressive, in short order the disaster which followed the label has ruined the concept and off they go to re-label themselves. Conservatives did not give them all those labels. They ran to them fleeing the last one.

Today they're wanting you to call them 'libertarians.' And I warn the libertarians, DO NOT LET THEM DO IT! If you want that label to continue to mean something other than irrational nanny state crybaby.

Typical liberal/moderate - do one thing then waffle - stick your finger in the air and see which way the wind is blowing.

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democrats believe it is okay to taser a 10 year old if this stance will get their guy elected.

I agree with this. Their are many here that cannot have an argument without throwing out labels. If we ever had a rule that said you couldn't use labels many posters here would cease to exist in this forum.

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Is that all you have to say canadian?

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Liberals believe it is okay to kill babies, but not terrorists.

democrats believe it is okay to taser a 10 year old if this stance will get their guy elected.

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Yes your very left in terms of the social side of politics but you could also be a libertarian depending on what your fiscal views are..

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Collective? I'm sure thats easy when your not surrounded by a bunch of (*)(*)(*)(*)ing retards!!!

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