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If any intellectual conservative would take the time to read the article and give feedback, I would be interested in your take.

I thought the article was a nice summation of stuff I have been reading on a series of conservative blogs and publications.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...?currentPage=1


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If any intellectual conservative would take the time to read the article and give feedback, I would be interested in your take.

I thought the article was a nice summation of stuff I have been reading on a series of conservative blogs and publications.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...?currentPage=1


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I don't see conservatism disappearing any time soon. Wouldn't want it to. Without conservatism, you don't have any stability. Without good conservatives, you'd just have liberals like me running around testing out every little whim that pops into our little heads -- which you also need, but which must be balanced by conservatism at the same time.
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I don't see conservatism disappearing any time soon. Wouldn't want it to. Without conservatism, you don't have any stability. Without good conservatives, you'd just have liberals like me running around testing out every little whim that pops into our little heads -- which you also need, but which must be balanced by conservatism at the same time.
I agree, you need one with the other to balance everything.

I am a very liberal person on social issues, but highly conservative in governmental issues (Libertarian). And I don’t see conservatives fading away. In the next few years there will be a lot more because of the financial debt we are in.

Our present government is a high spender, get rid of those special organizations, like TSA, and Home Land Security. Start saving the cash……….
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Perhaps you could read the article and keep speculation and non-topic comments to other threads.

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I would consider myself to be an intellectual conservative, and here is what I have to say: It is a critique of the Republican party and its fall, not of the ideals that embody the conservative movement. The Fall of the Republican Party would be a much more accurate description. The article seems to imply that the ideals behind the conservative movement no longer apply and are no longer supported, while the case is simply that they are no longer being applied, and no longer being supported by the politicians that make them count.

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Anytime someone talks about "right-wing populism," I want to laugh in their face. The conservative goal of small government insulated from the whims and desires of the mass of people through the governmental structures of a Federalist system do not reconcile with populism. The problem is not with the conservative principles, it's that the people who say they support them could not tell you what those principles are.
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If any intellectual conservative would take the time to read the article and give feedback, I would be interested in your take.

I thought the article was a nice summation of stuff I have been reading on a series of conservative blogs and publications.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2...?currentPage=1


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The article is nonsense... It's classic leftist idiocy wholly mistaking what conservatism is and expecting that it is possible to kill it.

Conservatives will be the people frog marching leftists out of there homes in 2016 after the left bankrupts the US over the next three presidential administrations with a relentless domination of leftist in the congress.

The battle will begin when the left revolts; given that the US Federal Government will be unable to pay what a generation has come to expect as that to which they're entitled, when they find their healthcare, food subsidies and 30 hour work week guarantees dried up, they will rise up in revolt and Conservatives having refused to surrender their weapons will, in keeping with their sacred responsibilities to defend themselves, rid this nation of anything which even remotely resembles a leftist.

Conservatism rests upon immutable principle and it began in earnest on July 2nd 1776 when the US Declaration of Independence was approved for launch by the Continental Congress. It's not going anywhere... It is reality, immutable and ever present.

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Conservatism isn't going to disappear, it's just going to adopt new principles in favour of Paleoconservative thought.
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Conservatism isn't going to disappear, it's just going to adopt new principles in favour of Paleoconservative thought.
ROFLMNAO... New principles?

Friends, notice how the left simply can't grasp the concept of principles...

This is why the left is void of anything resembling principles.

Conservatism rests directly upon bedrock principles, immutable, unchanging and uncompromising.

Moderates (Leftists) will do what moderates do and move ever farther to the left, but that is what independent, moderate, centrist, secular progressives are... so that serves reason. Americans do not rely upon leftists; we realize that these people are the problem and any accomplishments which laed to good will be despite the left and never, EVER, as a result of them.

When it's all said and done... Post the leftist revolt, Conservatives will begin America anew, without the dead weight of the ideological left to run it down and undermine our culture.
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