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No Matter what, If there are over 2.5 millions of people willing to take their time and went to the voting booth to vote, their votes should be counted. If those votes should not be counted, these 2 states should not have set up the voting booth at the first place.
They were voting for other referendums and not just the democratic nominee.
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Can she win? No, then she should drop out. The prior scenarios she spoke of talked about candidates that could actually win. She can't. That's the point!
But he can't either.
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Except, they used tax money to pay for this selection process. Therefore, the states have every right to choose whatever date they want for their primaries.

If the political parties don't like it, then they can fund their own primaries and shell out tens of millions of dollars. Anyone see that happening?

Bottom line to the DNC and RNC -- put up or shut up!
I agree that it is stupid not to count the votes. No argument here, except they ALL (Obama and Clinton and DNC) agreed on it. Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan. I just don't understand the problem here. If they all agreed to the rules (fair or not for the voters), you can't change it half way through a contest. You can't cry at this point and say that every vote should count when 6 months ago you agreed to ignore those same votes. Wow, she is really being a hypocrite and sore loser.
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Can she win? No, then she should drop out. The prior scenarios she spoke of talked about candidates that could actually win. She can't. That's the point!
Who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) if she can win? Her politics are just as screwed up as his politics are. The point is, she has enough votes to prevent him from getting the nomination on the first round. That means a deal can be cut.

Imagine how ugly it can get if they go back and forth and the Dems go with a dark horse instead? It's not unheard of and it's happened before.
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But he can't either.
He will have more pledged delegates! That is the whole point. It should not be up to the superdelegates. Even so, they will not overturn the pledged delegates. So she's just trying to manipulate the system. If the roles were reversed, do you really think she'd be fighting to count Florida and Michigan?
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He will have more pledged delegates! That is the whole point. It should not be up to the superdelegates. Even so, they will not overturn the pledged delegates. So she's just trying to manipulate the system. If the roles were reversed, do you really think she'd be fighting to count Florida and Michigan?
But even with his pledged delegate he doesn't win the nomination because he doesn't meet the democrat criteria to declare a winner. For either to win they need the supers. So therefore they should both stay in or drop out based on your reasoning.
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I agree that it is stupid not to count the votes. No argument here, except they ALL (Obama and Clinton and DNC) agreed on it. Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan. I just don't understand the problem here. If they all agreed to the rules (fair or not for the voters), you can't change it half way through a contest. You can't cry at this point and say that every vote should count when 6 months ago you agreed to ignore those same votes. Wow, she is really being a hypocrite and sore loser.
I don't care if they agreed on it; the problem is, they used tax money to fund a private selection process. Do you get it? Tax money was used. Therefore, it's up to the voters (ie, taxpayers) to set the dates, not the political parties; and the voters decided to hold the primaries early. If the DNC doesn't like it, then they can pay for it next time.
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Can she win? No, then she should drop out. The prior scenarios she spoke of talked about candidates that could actually win. She can't. That's the point!

Can he win? No, then he should drop out.
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I don't care if they agreed on it; the problem is, they used tax money to fund a private selection process. Do you get it? Tax money was used. Therefore, it's up to the voters (ie, taxpayers) to set the dates, not the political parties; and the voters decided to hold the primaries early. If the DNC doesn't like it, then they can pay for it next time.
And Crusader is absolutely right here. The taxpayers are the overlooked here. They are the government, not the party and definately not the candidate. This is the problem with the political systems in America, they feel they are what is important. They have forgotten the American people. This is why I have recently abandoned the Republicans.
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These primaries are completely funded with tax dollars. The political parties are getting a free ride for their selection process. That's why these delegates should be seated.

The DNC doesn't have the right to tell Michigan and Florida when they can hold their primaries, because those states paid 100% of the costs for conducting those primaries.
I AGREE TOTALLY, but that argument should have been made last August when the DNC announced it. Besides, like I said before, they were still going to vote because they are voting on other local issues. Not just for the candidate.
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