The states aren't making that argument; I am. In fact, very few people are making that argument. That's the problem.

The fair thing is to split the bill three ways -- the state, the DNC, and the RNC. But I don't see it happening.

Well lets just have a vote to determine when to have the votes. Florida and Michigan should have just held their primaries when they were told to do so. If Hillary hates it so much and now (when it doesn't benefit her) wants to change the rules, she can just run as an Independent.

There was more on the table than just the candidates. They were going to vote on other issues anyway. The candidates don't benefit directly from the primary so what difference does it make that it was paid for by tax dollars? Should I be able to go put a hole in the highway just because MY TAX DOLLARS paid for it? Now, DO YOU GET IT?

Yes, he can and will win because he will have more delegates. Isn't that the point?

Gore did not have more electoral votes, which is how the President is elected.

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Technically speaking, yes, she can.


She can. It is mathematically possible.


The DNC can do whatever it wants. It's a private organization.

Personally, I am loving this. Liberal hypocrisy finally exposed unambiguously for all the world to see. If the votes are counted, you are disenfranchising Obama supporters who might have voted had they known it would count. If the votes are not counted, you are disenfranchising Hillary supporters.

So which is it liberals? I cant wait to find out.

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Yep, and that's why we don't have a true democracy. It is more of a republic in which the people are represented by elected (sometimes) officials.

We do have a democracy...the electoral college votes by majority rule of its constituents.


"Republic" and "Democracy" are not mutually exclusive terms. The US fits both definitions.

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In case you didn't realize it, just because they normally do, they don't have to necessarily vote majority rule. That's why they were created. Also, do your research on the differences between a Democracy (true Democracy) and a Republic. You might be suprised.

But the candidates do benefit from the primaries. Since the states foot the entire bill, both the DNC and the RNC each have tens of millions of extra dollars at their disposal, because they don't have to spend it conducting a selection process.

Whether or not the states were going to have an election anyway is irrelevant. It costs the states big bucks to hold these primaries and it isn't fair to have a private organization invite themselves into the process and not have to pay their share of the costs involved. It would be like someone making a cross country trip by car and having a friend invite himself along, but refusing to help pay for the gas on the basis that the other person was going to make the trip anyway.

What I get is that tax dollars are being used to fund a private selection process for a private organization and that organization is dictating to the states when they can and can't hold their primaries. Now tell me how fair that is? If the sates were going to hold these primaries anyway, shouldn't a private organization tagging along for a free ride be required to abide by the dates that the states choose? Why should they be the ones who dictate the dates?

If I was either Florida or Michigan and 100% of the delegates weren't seated, then I wouldn't allow any Democrats onto the primary ballot for 2012.