Yeah, I'd love to see that kind of unity among both parties, but unfortunately the powers that be only want us to keep fighting.

And the liberals all want us to join them in pursuit of a socialist society and cease our resistance...

I will keep fighting until the end!


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I don't think they all do, but that's the picture the conservatives paint to keep us fighting. Just as the liberals paint the picture that every conservative is selfish and doesn't want to give back to the society that made them rich. Keep up the fight, that's exactly what both sides want.

It's easy to prove that this is what they want.

Take a look at these liberal websites:
http://www.moveon.org/
http://www.aarp.org/issues/dividedwefail/

They want government to "do" stuff, and they need conservatives to stop resisting to get that stuff done, even though conservatives don't want the government to do anything other than its very basic functions.

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Well I don't like the government spending a trillion dollars on the war, cutting back government programs, and cutting taxes for the rich and I can show you a bunch of websites that point out conservative views that support that. What's your point. I understand there are fundamental differences between the two parties, but to say that the liberal party wants a complete socialist society might be a stretch. Asking the government to spend money on one cause vs another is not the same as trying to turn our society into one of socialism. Socialism, Marxism, Communism are all words the conservatives try and use to scare people into joining their side. It is far from the truth. I looked through your sites here and I couldn't find one sentence that said that liberals wanted to change America into a socialist country. I'll keep reading though. Maybe I missed it.

Rich people do not get any more or less of a vote under our system than poor people.

Since poor people outnumber rich people by a wide margin, it is actually the other way around. Which is why Rich people are taxed much more heavily than poor people.


No one gives them to you. Candidates decide to run, and you vote for them or you don't.


How did you determine that the masses do not want a millionaire in office?



Which was already true before the 2000 election. But no one cared before the fact, because it worked in their favor. It only became a problem when it didn't come out in favor of the people complaining.

Which makes them hypocrites.



The election was not stolen. It was all done in accordance with the laws that no one had a problem with beforehand.


The fact that it did not turn out the way you wanted does not mean it was not democratic.



If you want to play blind man and believe lobbyists control most decisions made in Washington, then go ahead.



I do not recognize you as the official spokesmodel for the majority.



Because most people in the US support the Democrat and Republican Platforms.

The majority doesnt appear to agree with you. Sorry.



It's both. America is a democracy by definition.

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The sites are ones that support cooperation in government to "get stuff done."
However, you present a false dichotomy common among today's liberals. That is, you say that, if government can spend billions on a war in Iraq, why can't it spend money on health care and welfare? They then ignore the fact that conservatives are against all forms unnecessary government spending and argue that government has to spend money and that, because it has to spend money, it should spend money on domestic welfare programs.

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Unnecessary by whose standards? I personally think the war is unnecessary. Do you not see us being there as a way of medling in foreign affairs? Where is the need for less government if we spend a trillion dollars on the war and then rebuilding Iraq? How can you justify that and then turn around and say you want less government?

the military doesnt govern us.. people that are for smaller government take that position because they want to live their lives as free as possible without politicians controlling their lives.

At what level do you think the government will not control our lives? What would it mean to live our lives as free as possible without the government. I can see an Amish person having a lot of fun with that statement. So why do we need government at all? Whose call is it whether the government should step in and interfere?