Wait, are you saying individuals can't make up their own minds?

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And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.

And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

People's own determination determines whether or not they have food, shelter, and a comfortable life. Unfortunately for you, you are sounding more and more like a fascist with you talk of "a nation is when a community has a shared sense of community and determination." Capitalism does not promote injustice or inequality, it simply allows people to decide what they want their economic standing to be by allowing them to work as much or as little as they want.

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT OBAMA'S POLICIES, NOW GET BACK ON TOPIC OR START YOUR OWN THREAD!!!!!!



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"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

You're really trying to discredit capitalism with a selfish belief that you should be taken care of, and that some how you are the community? Am I a member of this community? Obviously your selfishness if flawed when you say the community wants to be taken care of. I am part of the community, and all I want is freedom and the opportunity to succeed.

Plus, 1/3 of Americans own stocks. Capitalism IS taking care of the community. Of course, obama wants to raise the capital gains tax, but god forbid we discredit obama on economic policies.

White Fox...Thank you for waging a true debate about the issues.

While I disagree with your interpretation of his plans, I am thankful that you were able to admit where you agreed with him, and at least went line by line.

I'm not saying his policies are prefect. The thing about politics is that everyone has to choose what path they see as best for the country. I see Obama's plans as best, other's see McCains...but that doesnt mean that our elections should be centered on negative ads or pastors.

So thank you White Fox...as I said, I may not agree with your interpretation, and we can agree to disagree on that...but I thank you for actually discussing the problems you have with Obama's policies...it is refreshing on this forum.

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Rest assured I have only one vote. I say let both parties melinguere on their candidates religious convictions. It is a good way to know each of them since they both proclaim to be Christians and I can personally access my beliefs to each one.

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And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.

And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

Moving on to fiscal policy

From barackobama.com:

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"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance.

--Murray Rothbard

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Originally Posted by Skinny. A liberal is just a libertarian who hasn't studied economics.

White Fox -

Thank you. You make some valid points. I disagree that Tax cuts for working families will cause a burden to the rich (your first comment). Not sure how exactly you interpreted it that way. But, I am impressed none the less. You actually changed my thinking on some of the other issues. However, I still believe Obama has more good policies and ideas then bad.

The most unfortunate in my mind is that you say interventionism a lot and on some of those I truly agree. However, we cant seem to get companies to treat people fairly, so in my eyes at least, how else would we get them to listen to us. After reading your comments I almost feel like Big Corp is working class America’s sibling and we have to run to Daddy (the Government) to make Big Corp stop hitting us.

If it is interventionism so be it, it must be done?


Harahu - please learn from white fox how to debate

Let's try applying some common sense to the matter, and please bear with me, I'm new at this. Since the rich pay roughly 97% of taxes, and the average 40k per year person pays roughly 3% of the taxes, then I think what White fox is implying is that Obama plans to cut taxes to the 3% and add it to the 97% - so one classes gain is another classes loss.

Now, you could make the argument that he's simply going to cut spending (the whole ending the war bit), but I'll simply laugh.

Please learn not to disagree with me. As you see, we won your little "debate" the second real context was brought into the picture. Both you and this Obama2008 fellow folded like a house of cards. I personally think he stole my sunder, but whatever, it was fun while it lasted.

I don't think it is about winning or losing. It is about discussing the issues, and having facts. I do not agree with all of White Fox's analysis...and on many of his economic opinions I disagree...but that is what this thread is about...disagreeing about POLICIES.

Furthermore...when it came to fiscal...White Fox agreed with some of Obama's policies and even gave him a smilie for one of his plans.

I think the point of all of this is...you may disagree with aspects or even the candidates platform as a whole...but we all agree on some level...on some issue somewhere. This isn't about personal attacks, this is about analysing and discussing the policies of Obama and later...McCain.

That's all. We are free to disagree with you, we didn't fold...we just commended White Fox for actually discussing policies, unlike you, who could not bring yourself to do that.

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