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Funny, but Clinton's calculations of the "popular vote" will probably be more accurate for the general election in November, and I suggest that the Obama campaign pay attention to the states that they happen to be winning in. Will they get those states in November. The evidence seems to be against them.

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really? I don't think her popular vote count is accurate, it seems to be biased in every sense of the term in order to make it in her favor. You have to count those from caucus states...thats their way of voting. Also, there is no correlation between primary wins and general election wins. As every analyst will tell you, Obama will win states like Cali or NY in the general, and Clinton won't win Kentucky or West Virginia just becuase she won them in the primary. Primaries are party divisions of the electorate and show no correlation to the general.
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really? I don't think her popular vote count is accurate, it seems to be biased in every sense of the term in order to make it in her favor. You have to count those from caucus states...thats their way of voting. Also, there is no correlation between primary wins and general election wins. As every analyst will tell you, Obama will win states like Cali or NY in the general, and Clinton won't win Kentucky or West Virginia just becuase she won them in the primary. Primaries are party divisions of the electorate and show no correlation to the general.
In this case, Hilary supports will not come out in the general election if Obama is your candidate. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...nt-back-obama/
In addition, the Democrats in red states are picking Obama, while those in blue states are tending to pick Clinton. This could be an additional sign of weakness in November if the above trends remain constant throughout the party struggle.
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I don't think the exit polls that claim that clinton supporters wont vote for Obama are accurate in terms of the General Election. If they truly support Clinton, and they come to the choice between the chance of John McCain being president by either voting for him, or not voting at all and the choice of having to vote for Obama, I think they will default to Obama. Obama and Clinton arent all that different. They have 90% similar policies. Also, red states for obama? You mean the west? The west is turning more and more purple every year, and like I said before...blue states will support Obama or Clinton, thats not going to change. I think people are underestimating the power of Obama's electoral map.
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I don't think the exit polls that claim that clinton supporters wont vote for Obama are accurate in terms of the General Election. If they truly support Clinton, and they come to the choice between the chance of John McCain being president by either voting for him, or not voting at all and the choice of having to vote for Obama, I think they will default to Obama. Obama and Clinton arent all that different. They have 90% similar policies. Also, red states for obama? You mean the west? The west is turning more and more purple every year, and like I said before...blue states will support Obama or Clinton, thats not going to change. I think people are underestimating the power of Obama's electoral map.
Polls can be inaccurate, and I can't take my argument that far from them, but that is what they say they will do, and knowing many Clintonites I think they will be stubborn to the end.

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I don't think the exit polls that claim that clinton supporters wont vote for Obama are accurate in terms of the General Election. If they truly support Clinton, and they come to the choice between the chance of John McCain being president by either voting for him, or not voting at all and the choice of having to vote for Obama, I think they will default to Obama. Obama and Clinton arent all that different. They have 90% similar policies. Also, red states for obama? You mean the west? The west is turning more and more purple every year, and like I said before...blue states will support Obama or Clinton, thats not going to change. I think people are underestimating the power of Obama's electoral map.
I personally think that many people are overestimating his electoral map. The states he is claiming he can win still have a large republican base, are not large electoral votes, and despite similar policies he is an extreme liberal and some of his policies could be defined as socialism. I think the biggest issue with Obama is going to be with Moderate Democrats that are close to the center who could tolerate Hillary's position but not necessarily Obama's position. Some of the things he has said about Capital Gains and issues of "fairness" are enough to make Moderate Democrats think twice about voting for him. He has come across as socialist in that if you listen to him speak he sounds almost unconditional in his views of distributing wealth, which is rather scary for anyone who does not tolerate irresponsibility or is of the belief that the Government should reform or eliminate some of its welfare programs. A Moderate Democrat may not be entirely comfortable voting for him given the above reasons.

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Clinton's popular vote counts votes cast in elections she herself said wouldn't count.

So her argument is totally invalid.

The good news is, 5 days from now, she has no more room to run.
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I agree, clinton's run is over. And Obama's ability to win western states is his advantage. New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado and States like Oregon and Washington are not safe for either party any more. As the west becomes more populated...these states will become more contested. As Tim Russert was explaining in an analysis the other day...instead of banking on one State like Florida, a candidate like Obama can invest in Western states...win some and lose some and still gain electoral votes...where if he loses Florida, he doesn't get any votes.
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I personally think that many people are overestimating his electoral map. The states he is claiming he can win still have a large republican base, are not large electoral votes, and despite similar policies he is an extreme liberal and some of his policies could be defined as socialism. I think the biggest issue with Obama is going to be with Moderate Democrats that are close to the center who could tolerate Hillary's position but not necessarily Obama's position. Some of the things he has said about Capital Gains and issues of "fairness" are enough to make Moderate Democrats think twice about voting for him. He has come across as socialist in that if you listen to him speak he sounds almost unconditional in his views of distributing wealth, which is rather scary for anyone who does not tolerate irresponsibility or is of the belief that the Government should reform or eliminate some of its welfare programs. A Moderate Democrat may not be entirely comfortable voting for him given the above reasons.


I do not believe that anyone who calls themselves a democrat, moderate or extreme will vote for McCain who seeks to extend the failed Bush policies of the past 8 years. McBush 2008 will not win in this America, Not This time.
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